I Was a Paid Internet Shill: How Shadowy Groups Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate

Written by on January 8, 2013 in Corporate Controlled Media with 303 Comments

Update 1/12/2013: CLN has received a takedown notice asking us to remove this article on the basis that “It is libelous and utterly false” from someone claiming to be a legal agent of Above Top Secret’s parent company. We are currently investigating and will post status updates as they become available. The original thread now appears to have vanished from Above Top Secret’s website.

Update 1/17/2013: We have requested clarification regarding the takedown request and have not received a response. We will provide updates on any new developments.

Update 4/3/2012: Above Top Secret’s legal agent never responded to our request for clarification of their takedown request. The original thread has now been moved to the “Hoax” category of the website, as ATS claims the author admitted it was a hoax in a private exchange. To the best of our knowledge, this private exchange or the details thereof have not been posted publicly to substantiate this claim. Regardless, we believe that covert operations to manipulate online opinion and debate do exist (and indeed have been publicly acknowledged in many of the supporting links below). Whether this specific case is true or not, it remains a valuable and provocative dialogue still worthy of consideration.


CLN Editor’s Note: The type of propaganda strategy described in the article below occurs across a wide range of topics and is employed by various corporate, political, and governmental groups to promote a variety of agendas. It is called astroturfing, and it is far more common than most would imagine. 

This post is not about Israel, and it is not partisan. It is simply an illustration of the mechanics of how online debate can be manipulated. As this is an anonymous post, we have no way of verifying the information contained herein, and it is presented only for your consideration.

Our intent in posting this is not to spread paranoia or incite shill witch hunts, but merely to encourage readers to view what they read and engage with online with a more discerning eye.

This alleged confession is presented verbatim from its original thread to preserve its integrity. As such, you may notice some minor typographical errors.

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- Alcyone @CLN


I Was a Paid Internet Shill


internet-shillBy Ex-Shill, Above Top Secret

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”

I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”

Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.




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      • Nopositive@aol.com' wwwasp...... says:


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        • seilertechco@yahoo.com' toby says:

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          • Nopositive@aol.com' wwwasp...... says:

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            She would just… “Send the drones….”

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  2. Al3arabian@gmail.com' An Arab says:

    How do we know there aren’t shills right now trying to derail the focus of the readers from the article in the comment section? Ive always known of such a manipulation and frankly it doesn’t matter. There’s nothing these shills can do to hide the truth. Their efforts are vein.

    • queer4ever@yahoo.com' An Arab's Arab AND A Jew's Jew 2 says:

      Of course, the ex-shill is STILL a shill. Still ‘Pro-Israel’. She, he & it are merely a double agent now. Pay packet increased; NOW this shill lies and inverts lies to cover up lies. ‘Pro-Israel’? Ha ha. Not even many Israelis are Pro-Israel any more, that’s mostly left to the Shills.
      Death to ALL Nations AND the NWO, let’s get back to wandering and being nomads, like all the great, old time Arabs & Jews! And lettuce Walkabout like the great, Australian Aboriginal…

  3. invincible.macedon@gmail.com' Al P says:

    The attempts to deny the reality that this story represents is part of the agenda. A story like this weaken the effort to manipulate public opinion. All one needs to do to verify the veracity of this story is read the comments posted by obvious Pakistani agents in virtually every Indian news site.

    Not only are they flooded with shrills the media sources themselves, be it cnn, yahoo, TOI, etc all delete reasonable comments and allow outrageous posts calling for murder and debasing Indian society in general

    • seilertechco@yahoo.com' toby says:

      Yes Al P, you are exactly right. They have much more effect than people want to believe. I disagree An Arab, that their efforts are in “vein”. They derail so many discussions that truth can be hard to discern, even when one knows they are shills.

      Discussing this issue and exposing them has me banned from the site that claims “largest site for healthy and green living” called Care2. It’s not only the paid shills, the site owners are part of it.

    • queer4ever@yahoo.com' An Arab's Arab AND A Jew's Jew 2 says:

      You are a little correct, the rest is your paranoia. You MAY just have a Pakistani sympathetic moderator, but I doubt even that. You have merely forgotten that India is a terrible country, like most or all countries (are terrible).

  4. info@bedbug911.ca' Jim says:

    Whats this talk about wasps? Someone please call pest control to moderate the comment section…

  5. shellytheproducer@yahoo.com' shelly says:

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  10. tnlowe57@optusnet.com.au' Trevor says:

    If any of the above was real, why couldn’t he have included some screen shots of his “work?’

  11. underwaterclo@hotmail.com' Cris says:

    Where do I have to post my CV for this?

  12. phpstolle@gmail.com' Earlgrey says:

    Its funny thou Ex Shill. I wonder how it can be possible for being confronted with certainly many posts about what’s called Zionist suppression and directly linked to Israel’s government you still are pro Israel. I don’t mean you should be against Jews, that’s not the issue, just the system there.Israel is also brothers with Ismael, they have the same father. Si Israel is originally Hebrew a Semitic folk. Those ruling now, are descendants of Khazar, a nomade tribe of people from Persia and Turkmenistan that turned into Judaism int he 8th century. They became the Ashkenazim from Northern Europe, and from there the House of Mayer- Rothschild came out. Then of course with all his money the house did enormous destabilization jobs by wars and collapses in economic systems. Later the Philosophy of Zionism came out and the house embraced it, that after the also by the house co founded the Illuminati from Bayer.The fact that the house financed the October revolution, and all the leaders were actually Khazar or Ashkenazim Jews under false names. Trotski , Stalin, Lenin,they all were Khazar. And after that, specially with Stalin, the mass murder of Jews started in Russia first.Guess it is the same as Hitler said, i killed half of them so the other half will remember who done it. As the Russians and the Nazi’s were all under control of the Zionists, and nowadays the Zionists rule Israel i wonder after half year reading them arguments you still believe in Israel. Well thereis something very wrong in it. As the religion explains, God sayd to his folk , in this case the Semitic Jews, you shall not own an inch of land as long you exist. And many Rabbi’s support this and see Israel as an illegal occupation. Mind you, before all this started, the Palestinians were living in a reasonable way, i mean The Jewish, Christian and Muslim Palestinians, and it was called the Holy land.Then the Khazar came, and all went to shreds there. You should take a look at the history of the Khazar folk. It is no problem if they share a religion, but it becomes a problem whet they claim something they are not a part of by bloodlines and history.Look how it is today. The English crown will be Jewish in few weeks. Diana’s mother was Jewish, so Diana was Jewish, that means the princes are Jewish. But also Kate’s mother is Jewish therefore Kate is Jewish as well, now she is pregnant, from a Jewish father and that means the future king or queen will be Jewis from both sides. So far so good, but rumors say, and i mean rumors from more like metaphysists and such on some spiritual level, William might pretend the title of Messias as well. But on the other hand David Rothschild is already showing off like a Jesus kind of look on youtibe videos and such.Rothschild claims Merovingian bloodlines among his Khazar bloodline. Know this, Merovingians, and the fokks that lived there were the keepers of the holy grail as the stories tell. The Abby of Sion is also there.. There i this story about Maria Magdalena being pregnant from Jesus and escaping to that part of France. The house of David settled there and seemingly they became kings, If you look at the maps there and start to draw lines from one church tower to the next villages church towers you draw perfect David stars and such occult symbols. So this way i just tell you there is more to know before you can say you are pro Israel or anti Israel. Myself i am pro Jewish, and Israel is just the name of the nation that should remain Semitic. Not Khazar or Turkish.Thou as for me, they may still believe the Jewish religion, and yes, many are true believers and good people that could perfectly live among the Sephardi Jewish.But for the time being, the Sephardi or Semitic Jews are seen as second class citizens by the Khazar Zionists. By the way, most of the Semitic Jews live happily in Muslim countries, and have no desires to live in the Holy Land.They know they are originally from Oman and surroundings.

  13. merciajew@yahoo.com' Steven Giles says:

    This is pure fiction made up by some looney lefty who cant understand why some people really do support Israel. I know tons of people who support Israel and tons that dont and none of them are paid shrills or whatever.

  14. merciajew@yahoo.com' Steven Giles says:

    “The OP has been edited to say, “Thread is close and hoaxed. The author admitted in a private exchange that the entire story was fabricated.”

    Ok, so does someone want to just highlight that?

  15. Ke6wnh@verizon.net' Marty says:

    Thus online shill stuff might explain why we never see any negative reviews of online dating services… think about it, they’re run by people whose purpose in life is to rob lonely people.

  16. grimjim@rocketmail.com' Grim says:

    Criminals? So anyone that doesn’t bow down to Zion is a criminal?

  17. ladeelilith@yahoo.cm' Denise says:

    The short answer is “yes”.

  18. gragor@hotmail.com' gra gor says:

    You’re right Nadine. We do all that business with Israel and we also invest our Canada Pension plan dollars in Israeli armaments for example.

  19. gragor@hotmail.com' gra gor says:

    Great moderators you have in here.

  20. j.willbanks@me.com' Alcyone says:

    When in doubt, we always try to err on the side of respecting free speech, even if we personally find a comment to be reprehensible.

  21. lappstar70@gmail.com' omnicar says:

    i wonder how many shills are posting to this story, it seems like most are trying to discuss other issues than the story at hand

  22. thomasrliddle@gmail.com' Blue Monkey says:

    Reprehensible while it is, at least he doesn’t make enough sense to derail the argument at all. ‘Anti-whites’? Ya I’m sure light skin being a recessive gene is a huge conspiracy.. goes right to the top, the big man himself, you know, god. “It’s a conspiracy man…”

  23. seilertechco@yahoo.com' toby says:

    Every American should be made to look at these pictures. Makes Abu Ghraib look like a sunday walk in the park.

  24. seilertechco@yahoo.com' toby says:

    A very informative site for the non-believer. Unfortunately Obama has his mouth full of Nat dong.

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