Houston Anthropologist Reveals Irrefutable Proof that Recorded History Is Wrong

Posted by on November 12, 2013 in Archaeology, Sci-Tech with 218 Comments

Debbie West | Before It’s News | Nov 13th 2013

Houston AnthropologistEvidence Found Across the Globe of Highly Evolved Human Species from before the Ice Age, Demand Scientific Recognition of our Past that Depicts Societies of Advanced Technology and Culture

Houston anthropologist, Dr. Semir Osmanagich, founder of the Bosnian Archaeology Park, the most active archaeology site in the world, declares that irrefutable scientific evidence exists of ancient civilizations with advanced technology that leaves us no choice but to change our recorded history.  An examination of the age of structures across the earth reveals conclusively that they were built by advanced civilizations from over 29,000 years ago.

“Acknowledging that we are witness to fundamental proof of advanced civilizations dating back over 29,000 years and an examination of their societal structures forces the World to reconsider its understanding of the development of civilization and history,” explains Dr. Semir Osmanagich. “Conclusive data at the Bosnian Pyramid site revealed in 2008 and confirmed this year by several independent labs who conducted radio carbon testing dates the site at 29,400 +/-400 years minimum.”

The radiocarbon dating tests of 29,200 years +/- 400 years was done by Radiocarbon Lab from Kiew, Ukraine, on organic material found at the Bosnian Pyramid site. Physicist Dr. Anna Pazdur of Poland’s Silesian University first announced the news at a Press Conference in Sarajevo in August of 2008. Professor of Classical Archaeology from the University of Alexandria Dr. Mona Haggag called this discovery “writing new pages in European and World history.” The C14 date of 29,000 years at the Bosnian Archaeological Park was obtained from a piece of organic material retrieved from a clay layer inside the outer casing to the pyramid. It follows a sample date obtained during the 2012 dig season on material located above the concrete at 24,800 years, meaning this structure has a construction profile stretching back almost 30,000 years.

“The ancient people who built these pyramids knew the secrets of frequency and energy. They used these natural resources to develop technologies and undertake construction on scales we have never witnessed on earth,” said Dr. Osmanagich. Evidence clearly shows that the pyramids were built asancient energy machines aligned with the earth’s energy grid, providing energy for healing as well as power.

Ancient historians in the US have news just as astonishing as anything found in the far corners of the globe. For instance, the Rockwall discovery outside of Dallas, Texas, is only one example of how we are now re-examining ancient mysteries to reveal more about our past, right in the United States. H2 (History 2) popular series Unearthing Ancient America recently filmed an episode about the Rockwall that will air later this year. The Texas site is a complex and massive wall ten miles in diameter built over 20,000 years ago and covered by soil seven stories below the ground. The question is by whom was this structure built and for what purpose and, most importantly, how can knowledge left by these past civilizations help shape our future?

Newly-revealed or rediscovered traces of ancient civilizations have ignited an innate curiosity about human origins as reflected by recent coverage in mainstream media and TV. The November 2013 issue of National Geographic: 100 Greatest Mysteries Revealed-Ancient Civilizations Unearthed says,

“Sometimes cultures leave behind mysteries that baffle those who come after them, from standing stones to coded manuscripts, indications that ancient people indeed had a profound purpose.”

Forward-thinking scientists continue to pursue knowledge from our past that is useful to determine a better future. Renowned author Michal Cremo in his book Forbidden Archeology theorizes that knowledge of advanced Homo-sapiens has been suppressed or ignored by the scientific establishment because it contradicts the current views of human origins that don’t agree with the dominant paradigm. Cremo’s body of work has been described as “a useful teaching resource, raising a wide range of issues covering aspects of knowledge transfer, sure to be provocative in the classroom.” It has been reviewed with widespread appraisal by hundreds of academic journals.

Gobekli Tepe in Eastern Turkey

Results clearly indicate that similar advanced civilizations of humans were present all across the globe at that time in history. For example, Gobekli Tepe located in Eastern Turkey, is a vast complex of enormous megalithic stone circles with a radius of between 10 and 20 meters, much larger than the well-known Stonehenge in Great Britain. Excavations at Gobekli Tepe that began there in 1995 revealed radio carbon dating at least 11,600 years. German archaeologist Dr. Klaus Schmidt from the German Archaeological Institute, Berlin, Germany, with the support of ArchaeoNova Institute from Heidelberg, Germany, has led the excavation of these recently-discovered pre-historic megalithic circles at the Turkey location.

“Gobekli Tepe is one of the most fascinating Neolithic locations in the world,” Dr. Klaus Schmidt claims. But as he explains in a recent report, to understand the new finds, archaeologists need to work closely with specialists in comparative religion, architectural and art theory, cognitive and evolutionary psychology, sociologists using social network theory, and others.

“It is the complex story of the earliest, large settled communities, their extensive networking, and their communal understanding of their world, perhaps even the first organized religions and their symbolic representations of the cosmos,” as reported by Klaus Schmidt.

In addition to the megalithic structures, figures and carvings have been discovered, depicting animals of pre historic nature such as dinosaurs and other wild life. Since excavations started in 1995, four of the circles have been partially cleaned, but it is thought that there are a total of up to 50 circles hidden underground. These vast monoliths, soaring seven meters in height and 25 tons in mass at Gobekli Tepe, are situated right in the heart of what we perceive as the origin of civilization. This find offers new guidance to the true history of earth and our ancient civilizations.

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“Our archaeological research goal is not to simply uncover all of the megalithic circles but to try to figure out their purpose,” adds Schmidt.

The Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids now in the eighth year of excavation spans six square kilometers in the Visoko River Basin 40km northwest of Sarajevo. Comprised of four ancient pyramids almost three times the size of Giza and an extensive subterranean pyramid tunnel complex, new discoveries each year continue to reveal proof of a much different history of mankind on earth. The central pyramid of the Sun rises a colossal 420 meters in to the air and has a mass of millions of tons. By comparison the Great pyramid of Cheops (Khufu) in the Giza plateau is 146 meters high, making the Bosnian Pyramids the largest and oldest known pyramids on the planet. Since research began at the Bosnian site, Dr. Osmanagich has amazed the scientific and archaeological community by gathering a team of interdisciplinary engineers, physicists and researchers from around the world to conduct open and transparent investigation of the site to try and discover the true nature and purpose of this pyramidal complex.

“This is an unknown culture presenting highly-advanced arts and sciences, technology capable of forming truly massive structures and we believe in that process demonstrating an ability to harness pure energy resources,” comments Tim Moon, who has recently joined Osmanagich as lead archeologist at the Bosnian site.

The archaeological project delivered another significant finding this year in the pyramid tunnel complex known as Ravine. Tunneling deep into a ridge line leading toward the Pyramid of the Sun the team has unearthed several megalith stones. In August an enormous stone estimated at 25,000 kgs was uncovered approximately 400 meters into the labyrinth. This is a hugely significant find,” comments Moon. Here we have a massive stone, possibly a constructed ceramic, buried under hundreds of thousands of tons of material. We are locating foundation walls around its perimeter and cut stone blocks.” Large quantities of artifacts have been recovered from the associated tunnels leading to the site, including effigies painted on stone, art objects and a series of hieroglyphics or ancient texts carved into the tunnel walls.

Dr. Osmangich stresses that it is time for open sharing of knowledge so we can understand and learn from our past.

“It is time for us to open our minds to the true nature of our origin and destruction of each other as a civilization on this planet. Our mission here is to realign science with spirituality in order to progress as a species, and this demands a clear path of shared knowledge.”

Visitors are welcome to the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids and its Foundation offers a volunteer program each dig season, running June to September.

To hear Dr. Sam’s interview on Lost Knowledge go to: http://theilluminatinetwork.com/2013/09/lost-knowledge-3773/

For more on the Bosnian Pyramids go to www.icbp.ba.

About the Author

Deborah West worked in corporate public relations and media for over 20 years and is currently a freelancer, reporting on a wide variety of topics including disclosure, ancient and multidimensional civilizations, the the shift in humanity’s consciousness and brings truthful reporting to topics ranging from healthcare to energy. She writes a column called Lost Knowledge at The New Era Times and has a weekly radio show called Lost Knowledge on Tuesdays 3-5pm CST. To see her articles go to:  http://www.tnetimes.com/contributor/deborah_west/92/

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  1. rainey@raineymariehighley.com' Rainey says:

    Excellent article, Deborah! I actually grew up in Rockwall….fascinating to learn of its ancient origins!

    • eyecarve@yahoo.com' william mc knight says:

      In the 40s/50s when the military was digging a secret base like the one in the Ice up north west , the came acrros items that looked like modern ones in steel !! Good luck getting them to unclassify this !!

  2. gcastrop@gmail.com' Gustavo says:

    Osmanagich’s claims are extremely biased and deceiving. I stopped reading at the phrase “The ancient people who built these pyramids knew the secrets of frequency and energy. They used these natural resources to develop technologies and undertake construction on scales we have never witnessed on earth,”. This, and the “pyramids” real origin, is all speculation, but is not unexpected from a guy who claimed that “the Maya and others are descended from Atlanteans who came from the Pleiades.”… This kind of biased, unconfirmed claims are hurting the people’s capacity and will to understand and research seriously on this subject. Stick to the facts, Dr. Osmanagich…

    • patricbr@iafrica.com' Padraigin says:

      Why are his researched statements biased and deceiving? What specifically is “a lie” so to speak?
      The extensive archaeological record, including the artifacts and the translated Sumerian and Egyptian script provide ample evidence of civilizations equal to and even more advanced than ours. Main stream media lies alongside school history, as taught, have obviously switched your brain to silent mode. Use your power and awaken sleeping satellite. Read Sitchen’s books to get you started. Then let’s hear from you upon your awakening. Until then, stick to the facts, stick to the truth, Gustavo.

      • gcastrop@gmail.com' Gustavo says:

        Oh, so now you are speaking about supposed translations from the sumerian made by an economist turned extinct language expert, like Sitchin? I’ve read much of his bibliography, and I can’t understand how he came with all this fabrications that are NOT accepted by ANYONE on the rest of the science community. Not a single work from Sitchin have passed peer reviewing, and his “translations” are opposed to everything the real experts have concluded so far.
        Now this guy, Osmanagich, is carving (yes literarily CARVING) a pyramid near a Bosnia town, and everyone with common sense who have seen his work is amazed by the lack of scientific rigurosity of his claims. He got help from local authorities who surely lacks the knowledge to understand what he said, and are clearly victims of a big hoax. So, you say you believe his claims, even his “mayan history”? The truth is whatever we can affirm with a 100% accuracy, obtained from direct observation, already proven and even reproducible, without bias and without speculation. Everything we can say about the origin of life on earth, or “ancient civilizations” is just speculation, so anything can be good to be believed, even that an ancient super technologically advanced civilization who have control of the “energies of the universe” have lived among us, but lacked enough knowledge to save themselves from destruction. If you want to believe that this is “the truth”, good for you, but the truth must stand trial and be confirmed, and this didn’t happen yet. Find some old poems written on ancient extinct languages and artifacts of unknown purposes doesn’t help us to prove this “truth”, just add little knowledge to whatever we have found about it. Claiming anything else outside of what we have proven, is just speculation, and it’s as good as a 3 dollar bill. Wanting so bad to have an intense and powerful history behind us is not proof of having had one, just like having a perfectly crafted 3 dollar bill doesn’t make us actually HAVE 3 dollars…

        • princelarry@verizon.net' larry says:

          Very very good love it. love larry

        • armansphoto@gmail.com' Submit and listen says:

          Gustavo, I have couple of questions for you? Have you been there in Bosnia? Have you seen the pyramids your self, have you seen the tunnel network, star-gate carving signs in the stone monuments, and so on? Please visit the site, walk around, see with your own eyes, feel the energy inside the tunnel, if you have any kind of instruments that you might prove Osmanagices theory wrong, bring them, proof, measure, try….and then decide with your own mind what is really there.
          This is just the beginning, not everything has been discovered and decoded but many facts support what you try to deny.
          Give it a shot!

          • naros_fox@hotmail.com' Bob Stone says:

            They have been disproved. You can’t expect everyone to do it individually. What are you? The Bosnian Tourist Board?

          • dzengisagic@hootmail.no' jangi says:

            i have been there, saw it with my own two eyes, i have bunch of pictures and i promise you there is something there…:)))

          • rocknrollbackdrops@hotmail.com' Geoff Davidson says:

            Great reply “Submit and Listen”. These nay-sayers owe it to us to put their money where their mouth is and visit the Visoko pyramid phenomenon to see for themselves. I personally think that it may be a natural structure but certainly augmented by human hand with use of concrete many thousands of years before it was ‘reinvented’.

          • isa@786isa.net' Isa Kocher says:

            star gate carvings? is that a joke? i mean, if they were star gate carvings they would not resemble a TV program. and no one today would have any way to read them. gimme a break.

        • marls.tmk@googlemail.com' gustavos mate says:

          “his translations are opposed to everything the real experts have concluded so far” … “real experts?” now now gustavo, don’t bash others when you do the same thing!

          Lets suggest for one moment that this guy is actually correct.. why would the government allow this information to come out? Could it be them trying to shut osmanagic down with their ‘real expert’ wishy washy? Claiming he didn’t use official archaeologists? They have more power and control than you realise mate (conditioned people like you believe it for starters!) so it works both ways brother, but thank you for raising your points nevertheless.

          Nobody can sit here and tell you what is real, what is truth,what is wrong and what are lies. Nobody knows, so i wish everyone would stop pretending that they do. Like the lady said underneath or above, go to the place, see how you feel then!!… besides, life is for enjoying, not shooting everybody down because you need facts and science to proove that something is right/wrong. Egotistical, close minded, 3rddimensional negativity is the thing harming humans capacity, not talking about things that are extra-ordinary dude.

          Anyway, there are other things that are going on that intrigue me far more, (i would highly recommend reading Admiral Byrds diary to the agartha online!) Peace, love, X

          • virgil072@gmail.com' Matt072 says:

            Actually, truth is very much an easy thing to prove. However, if a persons judgement is clouded by what they want to believe, no amount of truth will convince them otherwise. Your comment disparaging those pesky “facts/science” show you are entirely driving your reasoning on belief…. not empirical evidence or objectivity. Emotion and faith based reasoning is what is holding humanity back…. not “facts/science.” Ironically enough, a fair number of psych studies point to the fact that even when humans are faced with an absolute truth, if it doesn’t fit in their own confirmation bias or world view they will reject it.

          • virgil072@gmail.com' Matt072 says:

            Not to mention, the burden of proof is on the claim being made against the current establishment of ancient history (ie energy tech in prehistory, ancient civilizations, pyramids, aliens, etc…). Its a bad argument to try and shift it any other way.

          • panicbooth@yahoo.ca' M.Harris says:

            Re gustavos mate: “life is for enjoying, not shooting everybody down because you need facts and science to proove that something is right/wrong. Egotistical, close minded, 3rddimensional negativity is the thing harming humans capacity, not talking about things that are extra-ordinary dude.”

            Couldn’t be more wrong. Ironically, the sentiment above
            is an example of truly “egotistical” thinking. Philosopher of consciousness Ken Wilber puts it succinctly:

            “… where evidence is erased, narcissism flourishes. The demand for evidence—or validity claims-which has always anchored genuine and progressive science; simply means that one’s own ego cannot impose on the universe a view of reality that finds no support from the universe itself….The validity
            claims force us to confront reality; they curb our egoic fantasies and self-centered ways..”

            It says something that it’s always the New-Agey folks with their “3rddimensional” cliches and who never question their own assumptions or belief systems who accuse more mature thinkers of being “egotistical.

        • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

          Good for you, though you are wasting your breath. Also, “rigurosity” is not a word, ut rigor is. :-)

        • unclejmo@gmail.com' jamo says:

          seems like you have it all figured out

        • stranger@msn.com' stranger says:

          To Gustavo your so called scientists up untill not so ago didnt know that earth was round….you should go abnd see for your self as I did than try to coment…there is also lots of politics involved there as to not to be discovered …as for the local neighbors EU , Vatican, and of course all of these other secret organizations….cose if these pyramids comes to be the truth as they seems to be…than a small country like bosnia with population of an average North American City will became mostly visited than Vatican or any other place on earth TOURISM and so on
          And with Bosnians being majority muslim who do not differe from me and you in looks and everything else, they are not like Arabs just because they are who they are they will always being denied their identity and prosperity etc…. since Ottoman Empire ….

          There is lots of stuff going on there as well as oil that was discovered by Nazis and covered up …. and much much more that is why they Croat and Serbian neighbours always wanted a piece of it…..p.s I served with Nato and spend lots time there before and after the war

          • koozhk.koozhk@gmail.com' Doop says:

            Ha! The earth being round has been common knowledge for thousands of years.

          • lg67@hunter.edu' Liza says:

            Yeah…Hellenistic and Indian astronomers proved the earth is a sphere in the 3rd century BC, and it was commonly accepted among scholars. Now, I haven’t flown into outer space to “see it myself”, but I’m pretty fucking convinced.

            Just like, as a damn professional archaeologist, I’m pretty fucking convinced this guy and his Pyramid theory are bullshit. Now, I haven’t been to Bosnia. But I’ve tried to look up many of the supposed sources for testing, for “dig diaries”, etc – they’re fake people. Straight up made up names. And when your best evidence is amateur photography and hackneyed, untrained and peer-criticized massive (6 miles?? That’s a completely unfeasible size to run an “excavation” with any rigor for managing stratigraphy, micromorphology, sampling methodology) digs that are just reshaping the land into your own desires, you’ve got some bullshit. Also, some very dangerously excavated bullshit – geomorphologists who visited the site claimed the shoring and methodology was dangerous. People get hurt and killed from this shit, for nothing.

            Add in that Osmanagich is claiming a bunch of big names supporters that have all quickly distanced themselves, and accused him of giving out false information, and you get: a quack destroying any real cultural potential across a wide swath of land. Sad.

          • bujmirpotok@gmail.com' Gordon says:

            Mate, if you have served in occupational army (NATO) there, i can see why you have such opinion on this. On one, you have right when saying it’s also political issue as “Bosnians” are brand new nation invented by western politics and they are desperate to have a “history” different than especially their “neighbours” Serbs. They don’t differ by look much because they have become from the same nation, from the same people – Serbs. I know them all very well – Ottoman Empire make them to convert into Islam – nothing else…everything else is fabricated so people like you will believe in one side of the story but the real truth is something completely else.
            Just one example …when talking about pyramids in Egypt are you referring firstly to the Egyptian or “Pyramids in Egypt”?
            Samir is right that he discover something different and the future will tell us for sure what is it but claims what he is making are very radical at this stage.

        • mattmuirhead@gmail.com' matt says:

          yeah, they totally had the internet and nuclear power back then. equal to and more advanced than ours? hilarious!

        • hawley5008@msn.com' Alan Hawley says:

          Gustavo: I too am a doubting Thomas who wants to see a level of proof to our speculations about advanced civilizations & the proposed evidence to support the same.

          Please read the article below about evidence of advanced machining techniques from Egypt. I find the evidence fascinating & quite compelling.

          The question posed, is how do you create machine quality rhyolite/granite artifacts that are more accurate than necessary, except they did it was a “normal” tolerance level.

          I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

          http://www.gizapower.com/Advanced/Advanced%20Machining.html

      • aanad@nwodl.com' Amil Anad says:

        Claiming something as fact without backing it up with verifiable evidence is pseudoscientific horse s**t. “Until then, stick to the facts, stick to the truth…” – you should take your own advice. This type of “information” is as harmful to society as the right-wing extremist fantasy of “creationism” as a valid science. That you would even accuse someone who expects at least *some* proof of these claims of having a closed mind only shows how hopelessly ignorant you are yourself. You may as well say “babies do, in fact, come from storks and there’s irrefutable evidence — because THIS GUY said so!” Moron.

        • dellacalfee@yahoo.com' now hang on says:

          I like to read the different theories. I don’t care if people say they are facts, what matters is if they are true. So I am happy to read many possibilities and keep them tucked away in my question box to test against in future experiences. Anecdotes by themselves aren’t truth. But they do string ideas together and that’s the way we humans figure things out.

          So don’t worry who is right. Just look at the ideas.

        • ipayette63@hotmail.com' Zabelisa says:

          You sound like a very unimaginative person. Do you need “proof” for everything? When we talk about events in the very distant past, it becomes very challenging (even impossible perhaps) to provide evidence other than by logical deduction and intuitive knowledge build on what we already know to be facts. I will bet you anything that ancient civilizations could harness that kind of energy because they regularly used psychedelics in one form or another. You’d be surprised you might find out. Take a chill pill dude there is nothing wrong with questioning that we have been told.

          • office@burntlight.co.uk' Kruse says:

            Proof is what turns imagination into reality. Scientists, in general, start in the realms of imagination and move through the trial and error process to determine fact before they claim such titles as this piece’s “Houston Anthropologist Reveals Irrefutable Proof that Recorded History Is Wrong”.

            Withdrawing the (tiresome) burden of proof makes everything a great deal more convenient but also allows me to state, irrefutably mind you, that they are not pre-historic pyramids rather they are the breasts of the great stone warrior Edna buried in Bosnia 765,393 years ago, (next April) by her husband, Gordon.

            Now prove I am wrong :)

          • null@null.ru' Mike says:

            Just because you see a Magician do a trick doesn’t mean he has some magic power. It means you BELIEVE he has some magic power because he has tricked you and you don’t know it. This guy is tricking all these common people and keeping knowledgeable people out of the site for fear of showing the world how he’s doing his big magic trick.
            Read the Smithsonian article, and then tell me that this guy isn’t a con artist.
            Every other major find in history has gone through scientific peer review to challenge and validate its authenticity and refine and improve the understanding of the culturial site.
            This is a be a big state supported hoax to generate tourism at the cost of real scientific discovery.

          • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

            Agreed. Why don’t you start by questioning the steaming pile of BS in this story.

        • ktliddell@gmail.com' KT says:

          Amil,
          I agree that this article needs some real proof to back it up. It is misleading. I do not believe it is a wise decision on your part to compare it to “the right-wing extremist fantasy of “creationism”.
          I’m not a “right-winger”, but I have come to the conclusion that I was created by God. How did you get here? Any ideas?
          I’m sure you believe in something, right? Or did you pop out of a big star years and years ago, but you’re not sure about that either. Is that your best guess.
          It sounds like you just don’t like Conservatives. Try separating them from Christianity, then re-evaluate it. They are not one in the same, you know.

          • isa@786isa.net' Isa Kocher says:

            god or no god, the record remains the same. so god only makes things more complicated. scripture’s main message is be nice, be kind, give forgive serve the family. regardless of which scripture you want to look at. the best proof of god is love kindness and mercy. what one person calls god is what another person calls nature. what matters is how important others’ suffering is to you. it’s kind of silly to talk about god here. it serves no purpose. there are those who do it and those who talk about it. actions speak louder than words.

      • nazzz@hotmail.com' bita says:

        Very well said Padraigin

      • noobie33@gmail.com' Zobon5 says:

        You are all wrong MORONIC EARTHLINGS!! The cesspool you call Earth is only 11,000 of your Christian years old. It was created when Lord Xoth Pantug emptied his bowels, the planet being his turd, and the atmosphere his ANAL GAS. You lowly Earthlings are ANAL BACTERIA!!
        Soon I will defecate on your planet and you will all be drowned in my GALACTIC DIAREAH!!

        REVEL IN YOUR ANAL FUTURE, TURD PROGENY!!

      • fafhrd.productions@gmail.com' Erik Madison says:

        The problem here is the amount of speculation added. In defense of Gustavo’s comments; he doesn’t state the place doesn’t exist, nor does he deny the objects found. The problem arises when the lead ‘researcher’ (defined very loosely) speculates on the purpose with statements such as ‘demonstrating an ability to harness pure energy resources’. If you wish to play scientist you can at least attempt to act like one. Feed us the facts, show us what you’ve found, give us your data. But do NOT jump to conclusions! Yes the site is intriguing, as are any other of currently unknown origin. Yes they may force a rewriting of history. But the moment you begin speculating on mystical energies and grids and dimensions you lose all credibility.

      • thegratebradini@hotmail.com' wikiwanderer says:

        On December 11, 2006, The European Association of Archaeologists issued this statement regarding Osmanagic’s claims: “We, the undersigned professional archaeologists from all parts of Europe, wish to protest strongly at the continuing support by the Bosnian authorities for the so-called “pyramid” project being conducted on hills at and near Visoko. This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science. It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine archaeological heritage and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are affecting professional archaeologists in Bosnia-Herzegovina on a daily basis.”
        Since then, multiple authorities have come forward to debase Osmanagic’s claims. This entire article, with the exception of Gobekli Tepe, has no basis in reality or the truth.

      • isa@786isa.net' Isa Kocher says:

        there is nothing in egypt and nothing sumer in the archaeological record that “proves” any kind of civilization more advanced than now. simply not so. incredibly developed skill and incredibly focused wealth and power, but no technology. they used current technology very intelligently: hardly a mystery since humans 100s of thousands of years before with far simpler technologies did extraordinarily smart things.

      • barrettmj50@gmail.com' aeroguy says:

        I’m gonna agree with Padraigin on this one. Media giants lie all the time, and people are too scared to admit that there could possibly something out there that could wipe us 1000 years from now out. Not too mention society is more regressing than progressing. Even if Science is progressing. Yeah there are still smart people, but the gap between smart and dumb is always growing, and the dumb people usually outnumber the smart.

    • yarivmadon@gmail.com' yariv madon says:

      I agree. what does:
      “Evidence clearly shows that the pyramids were built asancient energy machines aligned with the earth’s energy grid, providing energy for healing as well as power.” even mean?
      and how do the evidence clearly show that?

    • laureyj@gmail.com' Laurey Jaros says:

      and just how do you know these aren’t the facts, Gustavo? Open up your mind, and allow the dust of disbelief and arrogance blow away!

      • aanad@nwodl.com' Amil Anad says:

        You’re both under-educated morons incapable of critical thought. Beliefs are NOT facts. Anyone with any shred of intellectual honesty or desire to know real truth understands the basic need to have proof. Knowledge and faith are NOT the same thing and anyone who makes up fantasies and defends them with “how do you know it’s not this way” (ignoring thousands of years of self-supporting scientific work, based on a foundation of verifiable experiments) is well below the average intelligence level of a standard-issue human being. Wallow in your ignorance if you want to flower-children, but don’t you dare call a critical thinker closed-minded simply because they challenge your out-of-your-ass theories with the same level of scrutiny that was leveled against the scientific proof that actually convinced them. Leave critical thinking to smart people – you can go back to fantasy and willful ignorance.

        • baldrix2008@hotmail.com' nigel says:

          Considering 7 world famous Anthropologists have said this is nothing but a cruel hoax, that even a quick 2 second search will bring up multiple pages saying its fake including a Wikipedia file that goes into explaining how the dude has spent years grooming that mountain to suit his claims, you would have to be seriosuly deluded to believe this let alone claim “Irrefutable Proof” that also is claimed to be “revealed” except no photos of these tunnel complexes or video or any other documentation Proving his claims. Show us the evidence or be mocked as a fraud

        • aotfmcg@yahoo.co.uk' andrew says:

          I suppose if I were an condescending twat every1 would b morons as for being uneducated or under educated as you put it you`ve just shown every1 your the moron Mr indoctrinated!

        • dzengisagic@hootmail.no' jangi says:

          why dont you do online search your self, see the pictures and stone blocks 2-5 meters under layer of earth..there is a lot of pictures, documented videos online…check it out ;)) peace:)

    • rosalita_4life@yahoo.com' R.D says:

      I too stopped reading at that very same paragraph..They built pyramids not crazy insane shapes..now a house that stands upright in the shape of a flower with teleports to lift us up to each room located on a petal. would have impressed me more

    • aignis789@yahoo.co.uk' Ivor says:

      Sorry, but you’re deceiving yourself claiming that there’s nothing more than official science can offer us… There is so much more and they are mostly, simply stuck in one place not allowing wider view to our existence…making us this way slaves of stupid rulers, dogmatic scientist and religion leaders…You can say what you want but some people are born to teach us the truth but not dogmatic scientists…! For the people who are responsible in the universal sense that’s enough …for your science there’s only money and social position, seems so…

      • johnnysmith51@aol.com' Easyzenburger says:

        You’re confusing the terms *legitimate* and *official*. There is- let’s be very clear about this- NO “OFFICIAL” SCIENCE. That does not exist. Peer review does exist, and the level of acceptance and reproduction of experimental results is important, but there is no official Science Committee of the World handing down rulings to anyone, anywhere. You are very confused. Legitimate scientists practice the opposite of dogma, it is called empirical investigation. Read David Hume if you would like to better understand the underlying logic and philosophy behind empirical methodology. The “dogma” you are probably referring to is the fact that scientists insist upon scrupulous empirical methods which can bring real, reproducible, valid data to our awareness. Sorry, but standing there and just feeling the energy is not valid or scientific, and if, without having been there, you are defending someone’s anecdotal tale it is YOU, my friend, who holds dogmatic beliefs about this subject.

    • randy337@sbcglobal.net' randy says:

      Clearly you dont watch Ancient Aliens!

    • haripranadd@gmail.com' Harriet says:

      All archaeologists and historians ‘speculate’ or ‘theorise’ as to how their concrete findings explain the actual lives of the people who lived at the time they are investigating. I have never read a history, biology, chemistry or psychology textbook that purely ‘stick to the facts’. I am not an expert in the subject matter mentioned in this article but just wanted to make the point that things that are beyond our immediate senses will always lend themselves to speculation or involve the notion of faith.

    • david.thomas1960@yahoo.com' David T. says:

      Well tell us Gustavo, what are the unbiased facts which are not deceitful? Please share.

    • earthplasma@yahoo.com' christopher says:

      Totally agree with you, Gustavo. These people have no grasp on science or peer review. if they’re criticized, they believe that the “truth is being suppressed.”

    • micaharrowsmith@gmail.com' Micah says:

      Gustavo, it soun’s like you are extremely biased yourself. You even admited that you stopped reading after a certain quote! Just because you don’t personally believe something, or feel that something does not have adequate proof to meet your standard of reasoning, does not mean it’s a lie, orthat the one positing it is trying to deceive.
      If I may be so bold as to suggest, you may learn a few new things if you realize first that you don’t know everything yet, and decide to view things with an open mind. To me, that is a rational concept.

    • DBiguns@netscape.net' Emilio Dumphque says:

      I’m with you on that! That’s exactly where I stopped reading, and for the same reasons! Speculative BS! The guy’s a loon, so his information can’t be trusted. I got quite enough of that from my older brother when I was a kid. I had to unlearn a lot to get a reasonable grasp on the real world. I reject similar attempts to muddy the waters with made up “facts”.

    • ag_the_13@hotmail.com' Tonius Maximus says:

      I became utterly skeptic at the exact same point. What I really find interesting is that there was no mention of Neanderthals. An article like this has to mention who the suspected builders would’ve been and as such, should mention the plausible candidates. This is humongous news [if it’s true] & you’d expect to hear about it …ANYwhere. Are there any scientific papers I can be referred to on this subject?

    • briphip@email.com' Ominous says:

      And I suppose you still believe the civil war was based on slavery!

    • simon.lindgaard@gmail.com' Believer says:

      You sir, you are a very good example of why this world isn’t getting anywhere. It’s not about fact, it’s about wonder and discovery. If we would stick to the “facts” we would still be living in a cave. 1000 years ago, God and Christianity was a fact, and look where that led us.

    • jeannedeward@gmail.com' Jeanne deWard says:

      “Irrefutable” – I do not think that word means what you think it means. The “evidence” presented is by no means irrefutable – it is, in fact, hogwash.

    • shredhell21@yahoo.com' Brian says:

      “I stopped reading at the phrase “The ancient people who built these pyramids knew the secrets of frequency and energy.”

      This is precisely what’s keeping you from LISTENING to what is being said in this article.

      He has found useful, and frankly, very revolutionary evidence, and he’s just trying to share this information with all of us, to take us one step closer to understanding our existence that we find ourselves in;

      He’s genuinely trying to share information with you, and you are NOT LISTENING.

      Learning, requires LISTENING; (in every possible context of the word)

      How can you learn anything new.. if you know it all already?

      It’s fine if you don’t agree, but you, especially as the “scientist” you sound like you are, need to listen to ALL of the evidence if you ever hope to uncover the truth.

      Science is supposed to be an UNBIASED inspection into our existence, of which examining ALL of the evidence is required.

      If anyone is biased here, it’s you sir.

      Perhaps it would be wiser to actually read the article of which you are so strongly against, like a Scientist would.

      I do not mean to be rude, but i do mean to point out things that i believe will help you WAKE UP, and learn to grow.

      I’m not saying I’m awake, NOBODY here is.

      But we’ll all trying to wake up, together; and senseless dismissal of potentially historically revolutionary discoveries & evidence is certainly one of the BIGGEST things holding all of us back from new realizations.

      Please, start listening sir.

      I wish you the best.

      • kbouey@fico.com' KenB says:

        “He has found useful, and frankly, very revolutionary evidence, and he’s just trying to share this information with all of us, to take us one step closer to understanding our existence that we find ourselves in;”
        I am not sure if you see the staggering arrogance of this, but it is not up to you to make bald assertions and be ‘frank’ about something that is disputed, and very arguably refuted. If you want to get ‘closer’ to the truth, you might look into some rigor and skepticism, otherwise you may find yourself wasting your time and going further towards charlatans and hacks making obvious blunders and perpetrating cliched hoaxes.

    • cv002@scarlet.be' Carol V. says:

      Gustavo, you better stick to the fact that the supposed history is biased as well regarding HOW alle these pyramids were constructed… Biased present science not able to declare with its classical mechanical theories, ‘coz even the present mechanics still can not build them !!!
      Can understand people like you say what I am not seeing is not existing, but these megaconstructions all pyramids are very visible

    • outcrowd1@yahoo.com' matt says:

      Saying you know the secrets of frequency and energy is like saying you’ve mastered temperature and spiciness. They’re measurements, not forces.

  3. The problem with most religious people is the lack of understanding how the Bible fits perfectly with Science. In the beginning God created The Heavens and the Earth. There is nothing to indicate when that was. Could it have been billions or trillions of years ago? Absolutely. There is nothing to indicate when the beginning was. The second verse of the Bible accurately reads “As for the Earth, it became uninhabitable engulfed in darkness.” From Verse 3 on we have the story of the restoration of this Earth.

    • mcwicked1@gmail.com' Richie says:

      The Bible speaks of GIANTS. So they are real then yet Science has yet to prove it. lol morons

      • briphip@email.com' Ominous says:

        If you want to knock on the bible do it with fact not Sunday school stories which are meant to spark interest in the bible. The bible speaks of the Franklin which were a distinctly different race of humans than most. Not giants but more likely just strange in looks to those who first seen them.

    • mcwicked1@gmail.com' Richie says:

      How bout all of you naysayers just get off your arses and go there and prove without a doubt to us all that it is a fake then? Just one of you maybe? NO. You will not. Trolls. Creatures of small intellect cannot fathom the discovery of things that could have such a LARGE impact on the understanding of our human history and it’s ramifications for our future. Swat the small minded things away like the mosquitoes they are and move forward humanity.

      • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

        The burden of proof is on those making the claims. You can’t expect people to choose between dropping their day jobs to travel the globe or else accept what strikes most critical thinking people as unsubstantiated. That’s what the rigors of science and peer review are for. For instance, if I tell you I found bigfoot in Oregon, and you doubt it, I can’t say well why don’t you go to Oregon and prove he’s not there? I can’t even say that if I decide, for some odd reason, to call you a troll.

      • 123@hotmail.com' hi says:

        if you are so confident about this…. why did you say ‘could have such a’ should read will have. so it tells me your not confident.

  4. tgrondin4258@gmail.com' Tony says:

    I’m not convinced carbon dating is accurate.

    • priceset999@gmail.com' Seth says:

      Carbon dating is accurate as long as the sample isn’t contaminated, but has a margin of error of 50 or so years generally. It can date artifacts back to about 60,000 years ago. There are other reliable methods of dating though that can go back much further.

    • fafhrd.productions@gmail.com' Erik Madison says:

      C14 is accurate +- 50 years. Chemistry cannot be changed. The sample used is where errors occur. Is there any chance the wind blew an ancient leaf into the pot that you just tested? Was the pot made from clay containing ancient material (very likely)? This is why we rarely consider C14 irrefutable proof of age; there are simply too many variables in play.

  5. Come now people, lets not fight about it. Lets rather invite all skeptic parties to join in the discovery. Agreed that reckless statements must not be made. And stop trying to fit religion into everything. All the technology is available to openly and on air post the excavation as you go on. Do so and let the entire world see firsthand what you are doing. This should be good for your morale as the project leader if the whole world join with your discovery!!

  6. dmh724@hotmail.com' The Guru says:

    Radio carbon dating is barely accurate up to 30K years.

  7. aanad@nwodl.com' Amil Anad says:

    Here’s an example of critical thinking applied to the claims quoted by this article: Organic matter is found in clay used on the outside of blocks in a pyramid. Since clay is a _very very old_ layer of compacted fine sediment, we’re forced to consider what that means, which is that things can settle in the sediment. Things like animal carcasses — organic matter — which then easily get molded into whatever the humans using the clay are building. With this simple application of logic, the entire scientific community easily agrees that you CANNOT determine the age a clay artifact was made (dug up, sculpted/molded, fired/dried) by radiocarbon dating because the matter radiocarbon dating can date could easily have been introduced into the clay MUCH earlier than when the clay was actually used by human beings to make something.

    Here’s a bit more critical thinking applied: Even if we could ignore the glaring logic hole of this erroneous assumption about how radiocarbon dating works and were convinced (because we WANT TO BELIEVE so VERY VERY BADLY) the blocks were really man-made that long ago, what does this have to do with “frequencies and energies”? Unless you mean anyone who can take a lump of mud and make it block-shaped is somehow possessed of otherworldly knowledge. Maybe there’s something to that potter wheel scene from the movie Ghost after all. Then again, the gross misunderstanding of radiocarbon “evidence” is being cited here as proof that yet another pseudo-scientific masturbatory fantasy (the “world energy grid”) is real only shows the true problem of those who use fantasy and faith as the basis for their “knowledge” — it becomes self-supporting not because it has any merit, but because it has no ties to irrefutable facts and is therefore as easily manipulated as the minds of the people who would be so dull as to believe (and defend) it.

    This is why intelligent people look at this sort of thing and laugh at first, then become angry at those who wrote it. Not because of some ridiculous conspiratorial brainwashing, but because it’s willfully ignorant and recklessly irresponsible. Show real proof that stands on its own merit (as the scientific community is required to do before anything is accepted as fact) or admit that your claims are based on pure and complete fantasy. It’s either/or and cannot be even a tiny mix of both.

    • joshofthewhite@yahoo.co.uk' Did you miss the point says:

      I find it funny how some people don’t use this reading as a productive experience. Many focus their energy on criticising the article or other’s comments. Yes this is a debate; debating being a conventional activity that we partake in, in order to build a more coherent conclusion. But is it not quite ironic that we are arguing about the ‘evidence’, ‘fact’, ‘speculation’ and ‘insight’ when the connotations supplied by those words are detrimental to understanding ourselves are and how we progress and how this article or similar theories may lead to progression and positive change. Yes I do agree, it is counter-productive to state something as fact or undeniable truth, as people rely on ‘truth or fact’ for understanding and belief purposes. But maybe that is what is being highlighted here, that in actual fact we are realising that we are possibly limiting ourselves with conventional scientific practice and analysis. After-all in science something is fact until it can be dis-proven or not fact until proven. With observations of our conscious mind, intrinsic habits and current insights can we possibly prove that the conventions and mechanics of understanding our reality [‘science’] might no longer be advanced and/or correct in finding out the secrets of our universe?

    • jeannedeward@gmail.com' Jeanne deWard says:

      Excellent post refuting the “irrefutable”. Thank you.

  8. foo@mailinator.com' foo says:

    “It has been reviewed with widespread appraisal by hundreds of academic journals.”

    what does this fluff mean?

  9. mrreduction@hotmail.com' mark duerr says:

    Was there any evidence of painted ceramic ware? My knowledge of the neo lithic periods includes pottery. . .I’d like to see what they have found. . .has it been published? Where do you think all the clay deposit came from? We all know clay doesn’t go up hill. . .was this site under water?

    • john_woodfield@yahoo.co.uk' Pagan Cidergod says:

      It’s difficult to say whether a site has been underwater without being presented with evidence for or against. Clay has been underwater – it is a product of sedimentation – but the clay or the finished pottery could have been transported from elsewhere. Also when you dig clay for ceramics you are going back in time – the deeper you dig the older the clay and the organic material trapped within. Carbon dating gives the age of that organic material, not the date of manufacture. With regards to the alleged signs of construction on the site, it is actually a natural rock formation. I have seen photos which do look rather like man-made slabs but it’s breccia, a stone that can give this impression. The shape of the mountains does rather stop you in your tracks but it could occur naturally, a combination of rock shearing along strata and glaciation. It’s very easy to want to believe the pseudoscientific tosh presented in the article but cold hard facts get in the way.

  10. ecnalav@juno.com' Not A Rocket Scientist! says:

    So,…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………if “evidence clearly shows that the pyramids were built as ancient energy machines aligned with the earth’s energy grid, providing energy for healing as well as power.” Why didn’t it work for them? Obviously, the ancient intelligent people that were behind those astonishingly great construction efforts FAILED in their efforts! Maybe it amounted to a waste of time and effort on their part being that it now has to be excavated. Hmmm, Just maybe it amounts to a waste of time, effort and money on Dr. Semir Osmanagich’s part too. ;^)

  11. Are we heading towards destruction then? There is a great need today to realign science with spirituality.

  12. The way I see it is that there have been many sites which show life in many places, and with many different scientific things that cannot be explained to many people of today. Especially Christians who want the world to be only 5000 years old or so. The reason so much is lost? It’s because of the Dark Ages, the days when so much history, writings, other proofs were lost because of the Catholic Church, who needed everything to work around their teachings. Even Henry VIII burned down churches in the 15th century. The Library at Alexandria? It had so much knowledge in it that is lost to us today. For the person who commented about closed minds, believe me, my mind is so open that my spirituality is built upon a God/dess who does not choose to tell us everything. People have been told things through the ages, and each age has its naysayers who will tell you that what was told is not true. What the heck, even in Christianity, much that was written is not acceptable. There is no Christian I ever heard of who believes there is more life in the universe than just this puny little planet. Why? Because they cannot understand a thought that might make you wonder if Jesus died on a cross on each world, and if he didn’t, how he came to choose Earth to make his dramatic entrance. Even the book of Revelations has a verse where John is going to write down something he “sees”, and that god tells him not to write that down. There are secrets in everything, and for me, heaven is where I will get the answer to every question I’ve ever asked.

    • wpetestraw@gmail.com' wpetestraw says:

      It’s not wise to make blanket statements about an entire population, regardless of the scope of their affiliation. Saying that Christians are incapable of understanding anything is plain asinine. Also, you said,

      “. . . my mind is so open that my spirituality is built upon a God/dess who does not choose to tell us everything.”

      First off, that’s like saying, “my mind is so open that my shirt has a stain on it.” How does building spirituality prove that you’re open-minded? Open-mindedness is not entirely objective, in fact, it’s quite the opposite. Just because you’re passionate about something doesn’t mean that you’re right and it certainly doesn’t mean that you’re open to suggestion (again, it’s quite the opposite). Second, you say ‘God/dess’ and immediately place a limit on gender? You’re missing the forest for the trees, my dear, and I’m having trouble understanding your post because you go off on a tangent before supporting your argument. Two words: college composition.

      So, I’ll try to answer a couple of things from your post. I consider myself a Christian as my faith defines it, but I don’t consider my faith unwavering or perfect by any means. I’m not a poster child for how to live a spiritual life, but I still have my beliefs, and even then, those beliefs are shaken every day. I have entertained thoughts that don’t agree with the Word and had spent a lot of my childhood hashing out contradictories in the Bible and arguing with Sunday school teachers about the importance of the whys rather than the whos and how the whens and wheres don’t jive with the whys of the whats and hows, when honestly, the Christian faith comes down to a choice: there is the way of the world, and then there is the way of the Word. It’s not about what we ask about the Bible, it’s about what we ask OF the Bible.

      Maybe the Bible was simply written in such a way as to highlight what truly mattered in life—to establish healthy principles and thus lay a foundation to encourage future revelation and redemption of the self so that those who read it may find happiness, if not just in this life, but in what might persist afterward. To me, the Bible accents faith in the Word over knowledge of the world. I feel that people take the Bible entirely too literally and that the majority of critical effort in proving the Bible right or wrong is pointless. Maybe the Bible was written to shift focus from the incessant crap that surrounds us that is of no consequence. Maybe there is other life and God simply chose not to tell us for whatever reason (I mean, the Bible never said there was other life, but it never said there wasn’t, either). Maybe Heaven is an actual place in space and time that shimmers in the night sky and we just aren’t capable of seeing it for what it really is. Maybe the Earth was created more than 6,000 years ago and we assume “days” and “years” as limited to our understanding of those measurements. Maybe each day of the Seven Days of Creation was actually thousands of years of terraforming, decay or evolution that took place over the course of one solar day. I’m not one to say it did or didn’t happen or whether or not the God of the Bible was capable, but it sure would help explain both the 6,000-year phenomenon and scientific observation. In short, why seek a definitive answer among infinite possibility? It’s a fool’s errand.

      My point is that most people (and even some of the most devout Christians) are guilty of questioning the Bible because it either does or does not speak to something in particular which may or may not agree with mainstream or personal beliefs and/or doubts that provoke a subjective urgency; but, seriously, faith doesn’t work at all if all anyone does is question.

      We can ask questions until we’re blue in the face, but even when we think we have an answer, do we really? Who can ultimately affirm anything? There’s so much faith in science, yet scientific theories and laws are being proven otherwise on a daily basis because of new discoveries. Science is duly persistent in its own right and quite effective in its collective endeavor, yet there is no ultimate goal or focus. Science attempts to understand a vast ocean of knowledge one bucket at a time. There is only faith in what is observed, not of that which is felt, and that which is observed is fickle and ever-changing. Instead of draining an entire ocean of its answers, why not just sit back and relax? Enjoy the view; enjoy the rush of the cosmos between your toes. Let the unexplained recede, unimpeded, where it may and allow the sounding ebb and flow to establish a peace and reassurance in all things. Stop trying to explain, explain, explain and just accept that we were made to behold the spectacle that is “creation,” regardless of whether or not we believe it was actually created.

      . . . that goes for you, too, fanatical evangelists that want my money.

  13. l.blizzard@hotmail.com' Someotherguy says:

    isnt it funny how in like the last… 10 or 20 years we hear of discoveries of ancient cities that were thought to be myth to be real, and found practicaly right where ancient texts tell us to look … whats up with that

    • l.blizzard@hotmail.com' Someotherguy says:

      but because atheists and this new “non religion of science” they have going wont touch religious texts with a ten foot pole most of them dont realize that they are as close as you get to ancient history as you can get… so you dont believe an old dude built a boat to house 2 of every animal… but you dont have to believe the like 400 + versions on it to think that maaaybe … JUST maaaaybe… there was a really big flood long ago that probably covered the earth … oh wait there was its been proven… but wait… that means not just one religion but several are right about something historically .. .. … scientific blashpamy

      • sodonoghue69@eircom.net' Steve O'Donoghue says:

        How did you manage to bring a few fairy tails written by man into this conversation? 400+ versions on it? You mean everyone copied each other? The ‘Ark’ lol

      • j@b.com' Bocaj says:

        Even if it was proven there was a flood it would have nothing to do with “Noah” except for being the location of his STORY. I agree that the bible could result in many discoveries, as they probably based a lot of their STORIES around real locations and passed down tales. How else would they get people to believe that stuff?

  14. trsedwards@yahoo.com' trse says:

    just as dr fell stayed for decades at the edge of obscurity for his works… most will never believe what their childhood teachers did not directly teach them no matter how lacking it was.

  15. omniomi@gmail.com' Nick says:

    Dr. Semir Osmanagić is hardly a reputable source. His doctorate is a “Doctor of Social Sciences” from the University of Sarajevo and his doctoral thesis included a discussion of the so called “Maya crystal skulls” and how they were created by advanced technology even though the crystal skulls have all been shown to be modern and a complete hoax.

    Further, and far more to the point, the so called “Bosnian Pyramids” are natural and not man made. In a statement issued but the European Association of Archaeologists a number of leading archaeologists said: “We, the undersigned professional archaeologists from all parts of Europe, wish to protest strongly at the continuing support by the Bosnian authorities for the so-called “pyramid” project being conducted on hills at and near Visoko. This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science. It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine archaeological heritage and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are affecting professional archaeologists in Bosnia-Herzegovina on a daily basis.”

    Although skepticism is the cornerstone of science and although science should never stop seeking answers when you have an individual whose primary occupation is “author” and whose doctorate is not in archaeology or anthropology vs a group of experts including the President of German Archaeological Institute, the Inspector General of Rijksinspectie Archeologie, the President of Institut nationale de recherches archéologiques préventives (INRAP), and so on the experts win and the experts say the Bosnian pyramids are a hoax.

    • mcwicked1@gmail.com' Richie says:

      If its a lie then let it all come out in the wash. Why expend so much effort to prove it so when in the end once the whole “ancient complex” will never and can never be excavated because it doesn’t exist. Right? Oh wait, there’s the whole popular Science thing to contend with isn’t there. This guy isn’t accepted by the Scientific Cult so he is being ostracized. Nice work and obvious.

      • gregbutyn@gmail.com' Greg says:

        There already is nothing there! That’s the wash. He’s literally digging his own ‘pyramid’ tunnels as he goes and claiming he’s just clearing the sediment out. Nothing has been found there except what geologists would expect to find in the ground – natural sandstone and sedimentary rocks.
        Those that are screaming ‘conspiracy’ at the scientific establishment for denying these ‘pyramids’ are actually the ones being duped by the Bosnian government’s political agenda to prove these pyramids exist at all costs. The irony.

  16. dabumpa1@rocketmail.com' Dominic Albanese says:

    I had the good luck to be married to the daugher of Dr B. Keen one of the most respected latin American histroians. I myself have studied various parts of history, I find it really funny how all these people get bent out of shape by events in I quote from Joyce “of the still dark past” and yet swallow complete fiction, in this time. Two examples stand out. North Vietnamese Navy ships did not attack the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. but it launched a 20some year war, of course the other big lie that started all the war for profit in my life time is the notion that the communist regimes were going to invade us and eat our kids. balderdash, I know politics and history are not always in sync, but, you expect me to belive that some egghead can tell me what people were doing 20,000 years ago, when I see the distortion and spin of everyday events I dont need a doctor I dont need a lawyer or a priest to tell me the truth, “let them who have eyes see, them with ears hear” proof enough for me. As for the conflict with religon and sience, well if they are right no foul, if they are wrong outer darkness does seem so hot to me

  17. christos@shroomstudio.com' chit hart says:

    We only know what we know about ‘most things’ because that’s what we’ve been told by someone else..nobody has the definitive answers to everything, especially not the specialists working in often narrow fields, whom we call experts.

    We’ve been told most things from someone’s else’s perspective and usually because it ‘mainly’ fits in with what we (or they) already think we know..

    Only a few hundred years ago, the experts lived in relative ignorance of what a modern schoolchild takes for granted..There was no theory of evolution, no knowledge of galaxies or black holes. Bacteria & the whole micro-world didn’t even remotely exist in people’s minds, because nobody had seen them yet and the role of germs in the transmission of disease were not begun to be understood. There was no big bang theory or cosmic background radiation and most of the elements lay about everywhere, undiscovered.

    So much progress in a few hundred years, yet gleaned by a few genius investigators in each generation and a succession of talented people willing and able to use discoveries to further their own investigations.

    The history of scientific discovery, which is quite well documented shows us that step by step and often by chance or simple error, our greatest minds make small steps along a path begun by our ancestors long ago, revealing along the way a myriad wonders of both the imagination and of practical usefulness leading to what we call the technological age, replete with supercomputers, the internet and modern medicine.

    We don’t really know what happened in the distant past of our own culture and there are a million unanswered questions about life, history and the Universe. We only have clues.. Investigators who can study the evidence and piece together parts of puzzles with the skills of a detective can make intuitive leaps in all disciplines.

    What will we know in 100 years, of which we are blissfully unaware of at this point in time ? doubtless, re-writes and augmentations of knowledge will ensue across the generations for as long as we exist..

    We can say (and it is a reasonably accepted argument from the evidence) that a human being from 100,000 years ago would be considered anatomically modern thus similar in ability to ourselves.

    The future belongs to the open minded.. the pioneers of imagination, the genius few in each generation who unbounded by fear, peer into the darkness, often at great cost to themselves, their careers and their loved ones, and re-emerge with new, useful knowledge, which often seems to make sense of the previously mysterious and brings with it a host of practical applications..

    My guess is that we will find out more about our past when we forget our assumptions about the present and it will be more than we bargained for.

    • rhinewater@wherever.org' Rhine Water says:

      “The future belongs to the open-minded”.

      Yes, but not to the gullible !

      There is a difference to be made.

      How is it that if this huge pyramid is real, nobody ever mentioned it before ? It should have been common knowledge, at least to locals if not some scholars, for centuries.

      Photoshop can do wondrous things.

  18. busvone@bellsouth.net' dan says:

    The question is, who’s funding Dr. Os.? Remember, the people that control this world want you dumb and obedient. Real knowledge will be kept by the enlightened ones.

  19. spumantii@hotmail.com' it's just clay says:

    “The radiocarbon dating tests of 29,200 years +/- 400 years was done by Radiocarbon Lab from Kiew, Ukraine, on organic material found at the Bosnian Pyramid site”

    Think about this for a second. Anyone can pull some dirt from the ground and radio carbon date the dirt, and it’s still just a layer of dirt. Nowhere is there any proof the clay was part of a man made object. I could pull some dirt from my back yard that might be 30000 years old, if I dig down, and it does not mean someone ‘built’ the dirt layer 30000 years ago. Yet, it’s exciting enough to go from the letter B to the letter X skipping everything inbetween.

  20. djcrsv@hotmail.com' Matt says:

    Have any of you ever traveled around the globe to confirm for yourself that the world is in fact, round? No. Yet each of you “believe” that the earth is round due to uncovered evidence gathered from other people who really could be talking shit. Something only becomes fact when enough support evidence is widely enough believed amongst the masses to then become “fact”. So are you all gonna sit around twiddling your thumbs for the next 500 years until enough of these new, incredible discoveries are widely supported by the masses that you will then follow in everyone else’s footsteps? Sounds like a waste of 5 lifetimes to me. Enough evidence from uncoverings of ancient sites all around the world should be enough proof – but skeptics will always be there, keeping real information from flooding the world – just sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Well for all you skeptics out there, give it time and soon enough your ancestors will be believe what you couldn’t, and didn’t want to believe.

    • panicbooth@yahoo.ca' M.Harris says:

      So….what you are advocating is that rather than the validity of a claim being based on a collected and consistent body of evidence built up over time, we should assess the truth of a claim based on whatever we prefer to believe at any given moment. And you believe that approach will serve us better, right?

  21. 123@abc.com' Sheora says:

    I’m sorry, but this is Ancient Alien bupkis and it embarrasses me to no end that this man calls himself an “anthropologist.” It’s downright insulting that he thinks he can associate himself with my profession with his pseudoscience sensationalism. Real history is so much more fascinating. Don’t let charlatans like this fool you.

  22. Doctors and scientific specialists prove significant evidence and even facts of the existence of highly advanced civilisations all over the globe 30.000 years ago,
    while at the same moment the educational propaganda as well as the mainstream media and the “opinion makers” persist that the dominant theory which we all forced to learn at school is the only right theory…
    Personally i am fed up of their lies that led humanity not only into a misconception, but also to an entirely wrong direction.

    Εξειδικευμένοι επιστήμονες κάθε ειδικότητας, από άκρη σε άκρη σε όλη την υφήλιο αποδεικνύουν την ύπαρξη προηγμένων πολιτισμών ηλικίας 30.000+ χρόνων.
    Δημοσιογράφοι και “συγγραφείς” εκπαιδευτικών συγγραμμάτων από την άλλη μεριά επιμένουν στην κυρίαρχη γνωστή άποψη με την οποία μας τα έχουν πρήξει… αυτοί ξέρουν!!

  23. puresignal@aol.com' CP says:

    Aren’t you worried about this all being total bullshit? Or does the fact that you already believe in “multidimensional civilizations” mean you clearly don’t care about “facts”?

  24. mcwicked1@gmail.com' Richie says:

    How bout all of you naysayers just get off your arses and go there and prove without a doubt to us all that it is a fake then? Just one of you maybe? NO. You will not. Trolls. Creatures of small intellect cannot fathom the discovery of things that could have such a LARGE impact on the understanding of our human history and it’s ramifications for our future. Swat the small minded things away like the mosquitoes they are and move forward humanity.

    • panicbooth@yahoo.ca' M.Harris says:

      Can someone define the expression “trolls” please? It always seems to be used to dismiss anyone who expresses a point of view that differs from the group think of the forum.
      Has anyone else noticed that it is always those who seem the most outraged that anyone would challenge their beliefs that are the first to accuse everyone else of being closed minded or of having “small intellects’?

    • rhinewater@wherever.org' Rhine Water says:

      If you pay my expenses, I will go.

  25. cde2652@gmail.com' Kira says:

    Awesome article! Appreciate the grace and patience of the sharing here. It is of huge benefit to our future survival to open our minds about who we are, where we come from and where we’re going, rather than holding onto many ideas that have held humanity in ignorance for thousands of years. I say Yay! for us waking up! :) Highly recommend Michael Tellinger’s “Slave Species of the Gods.”

  26. danni.coy@gmail.com' Danni says:

    Though interesting this article is very poorly worded. One set of carbon dating does not irrefutable make. Sure it’s evidence and good evidence and with the cumulation of a lot more evidence you could get to the point of having a strong case.
    What isn’t obvious to me is what evidence there is for the materials being carbon dated being artefacts of human habitation. After some research there are a whole bunch of details that count against the “pyramids” being constructed by humans. While I am willing to admit that the “pyramids” could be of human origin, It would be foolhardy beyond belief to proclaim that this was an irrefutable fact.

  27. ic@primakon.com' IC says:

    It is to be expected, that a finding of this proportions will shake our fundamental beliefs and a society as a whole. It will also put a more objective light to facts and reasons for intentionally manipulated interpretations of current human history.

    Since I live in central Europe, I used the oportunity and visited Bosnian Pyramids for two years in a row.

    Since there is such overwhelming and indisputable scope of evidence already in this stage of excavation, I will not comment the negative comments posted before.

    What I would like to see and hear though, are the faces of leaders in scientific community, who viciously oppose this very important archeological site, and also some commentators in this article.

    Why?

    The scene where you shove you degrees in your asses will be just priceless. Not to mention earning an appropriate expert resume, which you so well deserve.

  28. thanksdazz@hotmail.com' D.Man... says:

    I think this is all just mind blowing and I love the idea of changing history. I think there is so much more to the Egyptian pyramids and to know there are more around the world that are so much older is just absolutely fascinating. This is a great read and I think people should really have an open mind to what is being discovered in our time on this Earth, our planet… Thanks

  29. kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

    Cremo’s body of work has been described as “a useful teaching resource, raising a wide range of issues covering aspects of knowledge transfer, sure to be provocative in the classroom.” It has been reviewed with widespread appraisal by hundreds of academic journals.

    It has been dscribed that way BY WHO? And what are some of these “hundreds” of journals? Omitting sources is unprofessional and fuels healthy skepticism of these claims.

  30. nerdrave87@gmail.com' Nerdrage87 says:

    This entire article could be summarized by that picture of Giorgio Tsoukalos with his hair befrazzled on History Channel.

  31. choim_dachoim@yahoo.com' choim dachoim says:

    Every scientific advance and every archaeological discovery has been argued against by “Legitimate Experts.” It’s silly to make up your mind about the legitimacy of new discoveries before you see enough evidence to warrant such a decision and it’s even sillier to argue heatedly about it. It’s true that conclusions by Discoverers about healing and energy always hurt new discoveries.

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      The problem here is the sweeping conclusions without evidenec and reviews. When you say make up your mind about “new discoveries,” you are begging the question. There is nothing to substantiate that this is a discovery. Ratehr than “making up your mind” about “new discoveries,” I would say it’s silly to cosnider a lot of vague claims to BE discoveries until the evidence is in.

  32. texaswier@gmail.com' Tex says:

    Look at the picture of the pyramid. Look at the other pictures as well. Are we to believe that this structure was hand-sculpted recently so as to perpetrate a hoax? Hmm. Simply look–meaning: with your eyes, as opposed to your prejudice.

  33. kazaqyangki@gmail.com' Smilodon says:

    What? Wait — you mean my three dollar bill is no good? And storks DON’T bring babies? Well, where do I begin? Okay, first off you can’t radiocarbon date clay. Anybody who knows anything about archaeology (and that is damn few of the above commentators except Gustavo, KenB and somebody else) knows that carbon dating requires uncontaminated organics. You could do thermoluminescens on it, but they didn’t mention that. So the RC-14 dates are bogus to stat with. Thank you, Sheora – haven’t heard the word “bupkis” for a long time, but that is what it is, this whole Bosnian pyramid fantasy. There is a REASON that the crowd of European archaeologist, as one voice, call the Bosnian dude full of it; he is. Think about this, he is trying to build some reason that people to travel to Bosnia, kind of like Transylvania has Count Dracool. They need a tourist attraction.
    But I digress. Next, REAL archaeology is a science, following scintific method. And it is replicable. This whole scheme is not. Nor does it publish and provide open source data. It is fictive hogwash. And as for the Creationist-like “believers” in any unsubstantiated propaganda promoted by the Bosnian team, well, you can’t really converse with them, because they are not listening to rationality and the needs for proof the rest of the rational world relies on. It is like trying to argue with a drunk — they are not hearing you.

    Now, as for “early civilizations”, bear in mind that civilization is a late-stage taxonomy meaning those who live in cities, the “civitas”. The ostensible early Bosnians were barbarians at best, and more likely, hunter-gatherers at thirty thousand years ago. AND this whole package is going to come as a major shock to Bishop Ussher, who put the beginning of the (Christian) world at 6017 years ago. Go figure. Real archaeologists/paleo-anthropologist KNOW there were sapient hominids extensively spread across the landscape, even, particularly in latter-day Bosnia, by 100 KYBP easily. Thirty KYBP is Mid-Magdalenian times, when humies still occupied caves, if that. Pyramid technology is post-Horticultural Revolution (okay: post AGRIcultural for the purists). ACTUAL Archaeology is hung up not so much on the artifacts (real or imagined, Messrs Cremo and Os), but on the theoretical implication, like the nature of the social structure which would ALLOW for pyramid construction by a massive population, and the social structure to organize public works, and the logistics of maintaining a large density, and the carrying capacity of the neighboring region, and trade interactions, and division of labor, and the requisite stratification of classes, and procuring differentiated resources, and trade networks, and taxonomic klades. (How am I doing Sheona?) REAL Archaeology is a Positivist enterprise which is not engaged in speculation, but in demonstrating evidence for postulated hypotheses based on sound evidence. THEN it is tested, and retested, and published for peer review.

    The Bosnian dude has done none of that. That is why his credibility sucks. And I have have wasted too much energy on small minds, already, who won’t get it anyway.

    • ic@primakon.com' IC says:

      Dear Sir/Madam, please don’t waste your energy on small minds. Please take care of your mind first. Gather sufficient information about what & how it was discovered. You obviously need more accurate & up to date information.
      It is obvious you have some knowledge, maybe even a degree, backed with some earnings. The future will show how much it is worth.
      I suggest you do something useful with it in the meantime… It is easier to criticise all the volunteering by the team and thousands of people, who came from all over the world to help. The science team is shaping up nicely, every year there is significant progress made. The project is in good shape, despite ZERO funding, which is remarkable. What they have discovered and experienced, is almost unbelievable.
      So, basically there are 2 options:
      1. Help in any way possible (if you are a scientist, move your but and go there & help).
      2. Wait with the criticism, at least while those who work do their jobs.

      • forrestlancaster@gmail.com' Fo says:

        i’ve been around the world… sailed and along the way noticed that i couldn’t see my own ass in my spyglass so i figured yeah, they were right, the world is round. Everyone who believes that this guy found a 30,000 year old pyramid is a f^cking idiotic sap… unfortunately for them we aren’t using science to keep the plebeians from achieving enlightenment, we’re using science to realize how far/not far we’ve come as homo sapiens. way more people believe in jesus than believe in these pyramids so i won’t blame all the christians for succumbing to peer pressure, cause honestly you guys are right: science can’t prove that god doesn’t exist, cause maybe he’s just messing with the results (you f*$^ing ret@rds) but science, AND ACTUAL PERSONAL TESTIMONY FROM MANY, MANY, MANY, ACTUALLY REPUTABLE PEOPLE can prove that this guy is just trying to build several pyramids out of several hills in Bosnia… With other peoples money might i add. I hate that i was angered enough by the posts on here to actually go through the process of posting myself but i needed to let it be known that the folks that believe this is truth in light of all of the “recorded perspective” (i’m not going to call it truth or evidence) of sane individuals, versus the self serving statements of antiquity that Osgaymanovich is making, should in no way feel good about themselves because they are taking a stand against what will eventually hopefully save humanity, and that is our ability to think for ourselves as opposed to believe whatever is written in a goddamn book or now i suppose online. The bible is more boring than any of the Harry Potter books, and its even more ridiculous, i don’t know why anyone reads that shit. The libraries of Alexandria burned and *oh look* this one “True” book survived (along with the other strangely similar religious texts, each one in a different area of the world… hmmm), that must mean there are no other truths from the past, and that christianity isn’t just some 2000 year old scam to get some sweet tithes from folks who are too stupid to realize that it’s bullish*t. by the way I’m not an atheist, I’m a unitarian universalist, but the rhetoric on this page reminds me of why i hate religion. It has no basis in anything but what the 1% (sound familiar) who were in power wanted the rest of the populace to have to live by. Thusly: God’s Law. HA! give me a goddamned break i’m going to bed.

      • wfmoffatt@mighty.co.za' William says:

        I don’t know how to post a new comment, so i am doing it here, everyone here has valid points and opinions

        However i have 1 question to all the disbelievers, (you will probably say it is not real) but here goes in any case, not just on this pyramid, but on many others, we as a mighty civilisation, cannot even move some of these stones.

        so if we can’t do it, how did they,
        and perhaps a follow up on that how did they manage to make these building blocks stones so precise, if they after all we these un educated civilisations, (so if they were not advanced i assume you are telling me aliens did it)

        quite simply if you go and look at these stones it is astounding that we continue saying our ancestors were idiots yet they managed to build things like this with the right knowledge that they are still standing today, an will do so long after every modern structure has erroded away

        so please make up your minds were they idiots or perhaps more evolved than we give then credit for (or us for that matter)?

  34. andrewdarellano@gmail.com' Andromedus says:

    Wow people are trolling here. This is truly a hot topic. Continue please
    VVV VVV

  35. the_big_peanut@hotmail.com' sevbailey says:

    *sigh*
    And once again, people insult each other for having different beliefs.

    ‘Under-educated’
    ‘Close minded’
    ‘Moron’

    The only reason you would use such derogatory words is if someone damaged your ego. Why else get so annoyed if you’re so sure you’re right? Who gives a fuck who’s smarter than who?

    Evidently, it seems the human race has a long way to go.

  36. Facts are overrated and so are “intellectuals”.

  37. joepitman@vci.net' Joe Pitman says:

    I am fascinated by all of this. I watch the program Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed all of the time. This planet we live on has been around for a long time. I have never believed that the Pyramids were chiseled by hand tools. I have watched in awe the area of Gobekli Tepi. and the are of Homestead Florida.
    Joe Pitman

  38. simon.lindgaard@gmail.com' Believer says:

    And by the way, why do we have to prove or disprove everything we come upon? Why does it matter more what the person who found it is saying, rather than letting the actual discovery speak for itself? We are not the deciders of right and wrong. Please…

  39. rlenzistoll@aol.com' Rita says:

    I am no-where near an expert on scientific theories. I do not often use the word fact when speaking about scientific discoveries etc. This article was enjoyable to read. Afterwards, reading through the comments one can instantly sense the fight for who is right. I do understand science as a subject to be different than the bible as a subject. I can sense the flickering. Anyway, I am much more confident speaking about the bible than I am about the very subject I am commenting on. However, I do hope all these intelligent scientist do give reading the bible a chance ~ it will help with questions. One specific point I will not understand from a scientists view: how calculation of anything found is estimated or put out as fact as to when it was formed or put there. To me, it appears as a circular type thinking. Layers of stone equal years and so on. Anyway ~ there are many ways the bible can help in one’s life…

  40. achatius1976@hotmail.co.uk' achatius says:

    Did you know that those ancient writings show 60% similarities to the still used old Hungarian alphabet? So you can read it with the help of this alphabet.

  41. Dave@mindoverweb.com' David Lane says:

    What a bunch of crap.

  42. otaria21@gmail.com' Carlos Murillo says:

    En Chile, en el sitio Monte Verde (Puerto Montt), se encontraron restos de más de 15.000 años y se cree que en una capa más baja de sedimentos podría haber restos de 33.000 años de antigüedad, según palabras de Tom Dillehay.

  43. konstantinravvin@gmail.com' Konstantin says:

    Carbon dating the pyramid is only going to exhibit the age of the resource that was used to make the pyramid but not the pyramid itself. And the “ancient energy machines” that produced a beam of 28 kilohertz of energy equate to 1.8553^-29 joules. To give you a comparison, a 60 Watt lightbulb uses .06 joules per second, so in order to to power a 60W lightbulb for one second, those we’d need 3,648,895 of those energy beams. Put plainly, it’s not an energy machine, it’s just metal decaying or releasing energy, it happens all the time, in concrete, in trees and even inside of human beings.

    If it’s not peer reviewed, it’s usually speculation or junk science.

  44. thebaggman@yahoo.com' Charlie says:

    All Egyptology is based on a chalk mark, discovered by head British archiologist Howard Vyse in 1837 during a defunding episode by the British government.
    Is that scientific
    method in action? Give me a break, they would have to discard a thousand books written on the subject. So to with all archeology. All the great discoveries are 300 to 400′ below sea level as the ice caps contained all the oceans water 12,000 years ago. We have only examined less than 1% of the ocean, and free diving below 200′ is near impossible. Check out the Molenkivich cycle and see how many ice ages we have had in the last 450,000 years that have flushed everything into the depths. Scientists and archeologists know little of building methods as they have decided dragging 5000 pound stones was easier than tumbling them. The problem is momentum.
    The momentum of the scientific industry.
    As I say, rewriting all history and making all historians liars is to much for academia to accept.

  45. All Egyptology is based on a chalk mark found in the kings chamber of the great pyramid by head British archeologist Howard Vyse in 1837. It was during an austerity move by the British government to defund his work that Howard made his discovery.
    The chalk cartouche depicted the name Khufu. It was grammatically incorrect, and written backwards. It was Howard’s second trip into the chamber, this time with his associate.
    Is that scientific method in action?

  46. psienide@gmail.com' psienide says:

    Does anyone else realize that carbon dating of the materials used to construct these objects tells us nothing about the date of their construction?

  47. virlkemp@cox.net' VIRL KEMP says:

    True facts are difficult things sometimes. here are a few:
    We are not the only planet in the universe.
    We are not the highest life form.
    We are not as advanced as we think we are.
    My refusing to believe the truth does not negate it.
    Time travel is possible.
    Albert Einstein, who was pretty smart, said so.
    Scientists have proved it.
    Time-Dimensional travel is possible.
    Worm holes are real.
    Men discover things of value all the time.
    Men hide things of value in order to control others,
    make money,
    or have a good time at other’s expense.
    People lie all the time.
    People steal all the time.
    There is a Supreme Being in the Universe.
    The evidence shows that he loves us.
    We are not the Supreme Being,
    even though we want to be.
    We are ignorant, short sighted, and selfish.
    One over Infinity equals zero.
    There were an infinite number of things to have right,
    for us to be where we are right now,
    and zero chance, that this existence is accidental.
    But, on the other hand,
    There is a 50/50 chance that there is a God,
    and a 50/50 chance that he cares about us.
    .5 times .5 equals .25.
    .25 equals a 25% chance of the above statement being true.
    I like God’s chances.
    People naturally do not like authority.
    People want to ignore the advice of loving parents,
    even though they end up addicted, or imprisoned,
    pregnant and alone, or dead.

    Anyway,
    Don’t sweat the small stuff.
    Enjoy all knowledge.
    Learn as much as you can.
    Keep trying to make sense of it all.
    And while you are at it, be grateful.
    Be the best person you can be, and enjoy the ride!
    Good things are coming!
    I know it!

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      What a reprehensible stream of drivel. So many to choose from, but this is my favorite: “There is a 50/50 chance that there is a God.” So that’s a fact, is it? Can anyone else confirm your assertion? I seriously doubt you could even clarify what you mean. Probability is about relative frequency – what defines the sample in this case?

  48. danila.filip@gmail.com' Filip Danila says:

    450.000
    The age of mankind is 450.000.
    Read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth .
    Read the Bible.

    Put them together and use your brain.

    The pyramids need to be blown away.
    Time machines, dead souls kept trapped under them, all the living beings being kept in slavery(binded), technology coming from the far away future…hundred of centuries.

    If we don’t do this, we’ll be stuck here forever.

    • peace52@yahoo.com' peaceful warrior says:

      Flip,

      Instead of blowing things away, how about we embrace the blessings of this universe, in full.

      It’s your choice to be stuck.

      Free up your self.

    • madredd12@gmail.com' Maddie says:

      Please , please Filip Danila, while I respect your opinions because this is obviously what you believe. Your comment is absolutely ludicrous. Both publications you refer to are, of course, fiction and have no bearing on anything other than to be a ‘good read’ (said with tongue in the proverbial cheek). Have you actually sort out any scientific evidence to sustain your claim, if not I would suggest you do and very quickly!

    • joevil2025@yahoo.com' Joshua Patrick Winters says:

      ahahah the bible

    • cherrmann1971@gmail.com' c herrmann says:

      The Bible ?
      please tell me you’re joking.

      • invisibleangels@hotmail.com' Just1Spark says:

        Only those objecting to Filips comment about the bible and the emerald tablets are probably those that have read neither.

        Most likely what Filip is saying is, the bible is simply just a collection of stories, INSPIRED from the Emerald Tablets. Only those who have read both realize this.

        Aside from whether the bible or the emerald tablets are truth or fiction, the one thing certain is, much of the bibles content isnt original.

        • dura2@msn.com' Cole says:

          bibles content isn’t original-so, I’m dying to know. Where did the Bible originally come from?

          • rwatson1178@gmail.com' Dargaard says:

            almost the entire story of jesus was copied from the egyptian story of the god horus, which was written roughly 8,000 years ago. That’s just one example. there are MANY more..

    • ilafari@hotmail.com' ilah says:

      What do you mean, Filip Danila?

    • alexisramirez27@gmail.com' lenygma says:

      Someone drank the punch. Hahaha

    • archietraynor@gmail.com' ناجي says:

      Does your psychiatrist know you are here????

  49. arkiadvento@yahoo.com' Hernando Advento says:

    Fascinating!

  50. armansphoto@gmail.com' Submit ans listen says:

    It is nice to see all the comments and how people think.
    We are shaped by what we absorb, TV, news, schooling system, family… basically everything that surrounds us shapes our body and mind, (believe it or not!)
    Now, that said,
    we have to put our heads out of sand and try to understand more than we already know. If we did not have visionaries like Tesla for instance would we have this computer you are using right now? Maybe, maybe you would be using Commodore C64 still, maybe!? Tesla’s work was under attack from the beginning, the “big” Edison tried to destroy Tesla, why? because of the $$$$$, and because Tesla was years ahead of the $$$$ digging pig.
    Every scientist is only so good as his vision! Otherwise no one would create anything or would they?
    As someone has said before in the comments, why don’t we all use our brain capacity to sit together and figure our something other that trying to destroy someone’s work, vision….
    Sadly we are to much focused on $$$, power, position, throne!!!!
    What we should be focused on is a step forward!!!
    We should be more Tesla than Edison!!!
    I am personally disappointed by some rude comments here by some. We all can contribute but not by insulting someone! This shows a true brain function and capacity!

    • thebaggman@yahoo.com' Charlie says:

      Rude comments are like hitting someone upside the head. They are ment to snap people to attention.
      Attention approaches harmony.

      • micaharrowsmith@gmail.com' micah says:

        How can a rude or insulting comment possibly approach harmony?
        I think the people posting such things are doing for their own benefit. Nothing seems to stroke the ego quite like self-superiority.

        • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

          By expressing outrage at obtuse or outlandish or lazy contributions to the thread. Some people refuse to consider the vocabulary or frameworks of others. I don’t mean you have to accept those, but if you pretend they are irrelevant, it is inflamatory, and abrupt (or rude) comments may well serve to push the thread to progress. I personally think that the rude comments (I have made some) come from exsperation, not from ego.

          • micaharrowsmith@gmail.com' micah says:

            I wasn’t discounting the validity of those comments, or their place in this thread, just your assertion that such comments can lead to harmony. None of those comments will lead to harmonious discussion, or to any kind of understanding. They only lead to division and alienation.

          • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

            It wasn’t my assertion. But if if shocks someone into properly considering another’s point of view (which seems to happen seldom here) then I actually do think it CAN lead to harmony.

    • bpmnw1@gmail.com' bpmnw says:

      Very few people can be Tesla, but many people can be Edison.

      Also, for all Tesla’s achievements, he was constantly touting vaporware to acquire funding. Don’t believe for a second that he could actually do the things he said he could.

  51. koozhk.koozhk@gmail.com' Doop says:

    Ha did you really go through and delete all the comments that debunked this? Awesome.

  52. josh.walker13@gmail.com' Joshua says:

    Thankfully we have peer review so these “findings” will never be published in any academic journals of note. Pretty compelling info out there that this is a hoax, seeing as the heads of most European archeological institutions have all said that its a hoax.

  53. Atheist_toast@yahoo.com' Lotus says:

    This is very interesting and totally non relevant. Because the past is not relevant as in be here now, Sure study this stuff, see if we can understand anything from it but I am convinced all answer to all questions are in the present not the past. The deep journey we need to make is with in our own sprint not antiquity

  54. johnhewi@gmail.com' John Hewitt says:

    Osmanagić states that he has found tunnels, stone blocks and ancient mortar, which he has suggested once covered the Visočica structure. He opened excavations in 2006 which have reshaped the hill, making it look like a Mayan step pyramid.[1] Geologists, archeologists and other scientists have however concluded, after analysis of the site, its known history, and the excavations, that the hills are natural formations known as flatirons[1] and that there are no signs of human construction involved.[2][3][4] The European Association of Archaeologists released a statement calling the pyramids a “scheme” and a “cruel hoax”.[5]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanagi%C4%87_pyramid_hypothesis

    • armansphoto@gmail.com' Submit and listen says:

      It is simply amazing how many of commentators read someones article and opinion on Bosnian pyramid subject and follow the same idea without even knowing where Bosnia is and so on!
      I can not believe that someones opinion can be built by simply reading articles (OH YES THAT MUST BE A HOAX, YES YES, SMELLS LIKE HOAX, YES THE EUROPEAN ARCHAEOLOGISTS HAVE SAID IT IS A HOAX, YES IT MUST BE A HOAX!)
      Einsteins theory was hoax too until he proved everyone wrong, the earth was a plate on two big turtles and ships just falling over into the abis until Columbus not so long ago proved “the educated ones” wrong, and sooo on…. humanity is full of fun facts, isn’t it!
      From what is Osmanagic carving and shaping the pyramid I might ask? Is he using heavy machinery and big cement mixers, paving and stacking the blocks like domino’s? Oh he might have slaves too , oh yes they are invisible or working only in the dark when everyone sleeps, it must be because I could not see any there! Please folks, contribute by exploring something your self other than just reading! If Osmanagic is wrong than prove him wrong by discrediting the findings of many. Put your finger nails into the ground and prove the theory wrong!

      • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

        There are conventions and a method, an entire scientific community, for proving such things as hoaxes, and in fact they have done so in this case. You can’t expect people to travel the globe for things like this. If so, people would do nothing BUT fly around debunking hoaxes. Also, please, can you site even one specific case where Einstein was accused of a hoax?

  55. jimbro@aol.com' Jimmy James says:

    It makes perfect sense that advanced civilizations have come and gone…and the ice-age committed the mass murder. As many ice-ages have come and gone…so too have previous beings and dinosaurs.

    • micaharrowsmith@gmail.com' micah says:

      The earth is an ancient object. Hundreds of millions of years old. And we have what, 6 or 9000 years of recorded history. What can possibly posses us as a race to think we know the planet’s whole history?
      I understand the logic behind the naysayers, scientific process and reasoning have helped us learn and understand so much, but the arrogance is staggering sometimes.
      And besides, most of them are just parroting other experts, not having done any of the work themselves. Egotistical superiority complexes at work.
      I’m not saying I believe any or all of it, but the possibility is there, and if we discount all possibilities, we will never see beyond a self-imposed box.

      • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

        It’s not clear what the age of the earth has to do with claims pinned to 30,000 years or so. I also don’t understand your implication that one has to have worked personally in a field to understand and apply its ideas. I’m not a medical doctor, but I know a snakeskin salesman when I see one. And I’m not an archeologist, but if these claims are true, they should be corroborated by peer review. Not only has that not happened, but they have been exposed as a hoax. Not only has that not happened, but there is clear financial motivation for a hoax. It may appear to you as arrogance, but it appears to me as hopeless gullibility to take the stance you do.

        • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

          Can you be specific about who among the voices of decent would lose money and how? When you say it will be rebeasled as a hoax, what would count for you as conclusive in addition to the communications from the scientific community already posted here? When you ask if I will be ready to defend my claims (assuming you mean me as you are responding to my post) can you say what claims you mean?

  56. zmiester99@hotmail.com' Stephen Zaffarano says:

    2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

  57. gunslingerx22@gmail.com' sceptical analyst says:

    We, the undersigned professional archaeologists from all parts of Europe, wish to protest strongly at the continuing support by the Bosnian authorities for the so-called “pyramid” project being conducted on hills at and near Visoko. This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science. It is a waste of scarce resources that would be much better used in protecting the genuine archaeological heritage and is diverting attention from the pressing problems that are affecting professional archaeologists in Bosnia-Herzegovina on a daily basis.

    To announce something like this, only means there is something those scientists are scared of. If it was a hoax, they wouldn’t make such a rude statement. It is still as from centuries before, that those scientists, who will discover something, that opposes main idea, will be called heretics. Like idea of sun being in center, not the earth. We need more open minded people in science, to open for new ideas, so we could make progress, otherwise we will stuck here forever.

    • KBouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      When you say something like that, it must mean that the secret reality is exactly opposite to what you have said.

      • micaharrowsmith@gmail.com' micah says:

        Dude, I can’t help but notice your reply times… and it strikes me that you may not be doing much else but waiting for comments on this thread. And your replies seem to only be aimed at certain types of comments. I see you, and I name you troll.
        If people’s attitudes or opinions here bother you, why are you here? You could probably waste less of your own time and find something more enjoyable and constructive to do with your time.
        Have a Nice life!

        • KBouley@fico.com' KenB says:

          I am online all day, and I read all the emails I get. And as you might know, you can arrange to get an email when someone posts a comment. And yes, there is a certain kind of comment that I generally feel inclined to reply to. (Though not exclusively those; your research is incomplete.) If want to appoint yourself as message board monitor, and put yourself in charge of who’s a troll, your opinion is noted. But FYI if you do that and also advise people on how they spend their time, you end up looking like a complete jackass. Enjoy your studio apartment!

  58. [ Everything wrong, again ]

    Beside the obvious bonus of proofing History wrong…
    which will change almost nothing as Academic dynamics are similar to churches, even sects…

    We should point here a usual problem:
    The definition of ‘Energy’.

    Because the word got several meanings,
    not opposite nor complementary.
    Simply different.

    But that is a problem that the forced tech-only approach hides and directs to delusions: Energy, as we use it now, different as it is from 5 decades ago, even more 5 centuries ago.

    The problem, is not facts, not even the equivocations on words… its people and interpretations. People are very bad at it… trusting more on the church/military organization type, for ‘decisions’.

    Though nothing is to be decided, only understood.
    Therefore, to be examined, not discussed.
    Discussion, is the way of politicians.
    ___
    The more I know on what people take for granted…

  59. mhosek@angelcruisers.com' Cleric says:

    Great comment I came to same conclusion few years back absolutely on my own and later found lot of stuff online to support this theory.

  60. mhosek@angelcruisers.com' Cleric says:

    Great comment!

  61. katesisco@yahoo.com' katesisco says:

    Yes, energy was different then from now. And it will be different in the future from now. Just look at Mars –once billions of years ago water flowed on the surface. Is Earth losing energy from what we had in the past to now? Yes.
    Our sun , Sol, is a nearly dead magnetar.
    The smarter us lived in a stronger resonance environment. The pyramdis were an effort to recover that energy to preserve their life requrements. Just as we will try to trap energy in satellite orbits from the sun and redirect it to Earth for our own energy requirements.

  62. katesisco@yahoo.com' katesisco says:

    I wonder if the Earth has not experienced magnetic loss tied to solar magnetic reversals that people living then were forced to created this pizeoelectric energy to get through a reversal or polar wander or magnetic pole relocation? And because the energy from the sun is less every solar reversal, the former smarter us could not be supported by the Earth?

  63. elam_doug@hotmail.com' Doug says:

    I have never seen anything, not one diagnostic artifact from this. This is a lie.

  64. mimi.fr78@hotmail.com' mimi says:

    People…people…many people have lost their life or been ridiculed or cast out because the scientific community did not agree, if you do not have scientific proofs, then you are wrong…Like …the earth is round??? it was flat remember, scientists could prove it. How about quantum physics not possible…right…Not too long ago…Faster than speed of light, unthinkable… energy from vibrations, you must be a witch… Let’s not judge “possibilities” , let’s be curious and dream. Soon we will all discover the truth, are you ready? because it will blow your mind.

  65. brianpaullaflamme@gmail.com' Brian says:

    Wow, this has to be some of the best trolling I have ever seen! Nobody could really be so stupid as to believe in this drivel, right? If you have actually been there and still believe it, please kill yourself immediately, for the good of all humanity.

    Of course nobody really believes this, right? Nobody can equate disbelief in this matter with being closed mind, can they?Please tell me this is the best trolling ever, please. Please?

  66. brianpaullaflamme@gmail.com' Brian says:

    Why do people keep bringing up the Earth being round as a good reason to believe in anything without proof? No scientists said the earth was flat, you imbeciles! It was the Church, they persecuted those that used scientific methods to determine the Earth was not flat. You are using an example that proves the opposite of what you are trying to prove. Please, oh please, tell me this is all trolling.

  67. trgaspard@gmail.com' Kaluza says:

    Jesus H. Christ, some of the comments from you hippie morons are making my brain melt.

  68. james.patrick27@yahoo.com' James says:

    You have the right to your beliefs even if they are from the current elitist’s story books that they have made up for their SLAVES! They make sure that the research that comes out to be taught to their SLAVES does not differ too much from the religious narrittive but just different enough so as to keeps us from uniting as HUMAN beings. The governments of the world lie to us every day, the media has lied to us probably on nearly everything, the police lie all of the time. You can trust their paid for scientists to tell the truth if you want to I for one am going to question everything that those entities say every time until I can prove them correct through extensive common sense research, keeping my mind open for ALL possible explanations, not just the explanations that 1% want us to believe so they can keep control over the humanity of this world. What I do have a problem with in your comments is the disregard you have for others belief’s, that if their research isn’t preformed by the POWERS that BE’s scientist’s it isn’t valid to you. How do you think the first scientist became a scientist to begin with? Was there a science class that they had to attend to be classified as a scientist? If so then that would make some one else the first scientist, use some common sense we are all scientists, we are all capable of observing and recording events, to create events to observe from our own minds. People every day, who have no training in engineering, biology, physics, just about any area of what you would call expertise find ways on there own or with the help of others to build all sorts of things some quite technological in nature some not so technical but still the human race is very capable of figuring things out with out a DEGREE. You do not have to agree with anything but you should approach these commenters with some respect for their own beliefs!

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      Dude, it’s not clear who you are addressing. Your comments are posted to the whole article, not to anyone in particular.

  69. james.patrick27@yahoo.com' James says:

    Have you been there?

  70. james.patrick27@yahoo.com' James says:

    WOW you do not believe in anything I guess, not the (NUT job in this article), not any old book, not the main stream story lines, and not the people writing comments here! Do you have any beliefs or thoughts other than the feeling of total superiority over every one else?

  71. themoldbuilder@yahoo.com' John says:

    Gustavo, please list any contributions to science and history you yourself have made. To me, these guys are pioneers of the highest order. Willing to be mocked and hated by people like you to bring humanity the truth. The flood myths all around the world make me understand there was probably a world wide society many thousands of years ago. Please, if this is mountain, find me another one on earth that looks exact like a 4 sided pyramid.

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      John, Gustavo’s personal contributions to science and history are about as relevant to his arguments against this fraud as are your contributions to astrology and alchemy, numerous as those may be, in claiming that it is genuine. “To me…to bring humanity the truth.” That’s just a fine position if that’s in fact what they are doing. But whether it is in fact true is very much doubted, notably by people with real credentials, Noah’s Ark notwithstanding.

  72. themoldbuilder@yahoo.com' John says:

    Ken,

    Thank you for the reply. In your first sentence you imply that a persons education and contribution to a field of study has no direct affect on that person’s credibility in that field. By that logic, I am a heart surgeon and you are a fighter pilot.

    Universities do not hold a monopoly on knowledge. You should know this.

    The second half of your run on sentence makes the inference that I claim a fraud is genuine, and uses sarcasm to reinforce your statement to make it sound believable. I never made such a statement.

    I am betting you score pretty well with the freshman girls debate squad.

    It is true they are finding many artifacts. That is a truth, and they are sharing it with the world.

    You mentioned people with real credentials, which is odd because you just made a statement that said no credentials are needed in order to be regarded as an expert in any field.

    Pick one please.

    I never mentioned Noah’s Ark. I mentioned the 1,000 flood myths that exist in all of recorded history.

    Your statement makes you sound like a kid, or a public relations puppet. Which one are you?

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      John, let me take your points in order.
      First, I am not sure where you got “*education* and contribution,” since explicitly only contribution was mentioned, by either one of us.
      Second, it’s unclear to me which part of anything I wrote warranted the two sentences about universities and what I should know. When adopting a chastening tone, it’s best to have a point.
      Third, when you write, “The second half of your run on sentence makes the inference (sic) that I claim a fraud is genuine… I never made such a statement.” I am not sure if you mean you never made such a statement as “a fraud is genuine,” or merely, “this article is, on the whole, accurate.” I normally try to avoid the obvious, but in your case it seems necessary: no one anywhere would make the first one, and you certainly did make the second one.
      On the debate squad remark, did you really mean to imply that the girls’ squad was somehow less formidable than the boys’? If not, why did you specify the girls’ squad?
      Regarding the “truth” that “they” are finding many artifacts, if that’s what you think is being contested, rather than the age and significance and implication of whatever it is they are finding, you are either not paying attention, or retreating to something quite mundane.
      Regarding what I take to be your main point, that I was being hypocritical in dismissing calls for qualifications but later appearing to esteem them when it suited me, I merely meant that, since *you* seem to value credentials, perhaps you should take notice of the qualifications of the many people who have already debunked this nonsense. This is in the context of you asking a person on a message board – identified only by his first name – for his contributions. What if he could supply them – would you change your mind? Well, in that case, what about the very qualified people who have already gone on record saying this is bull? Either you would be swayed by demonstrably qualified people contradicting you, or you wouldn’t. If you would, then you already should. If you wouldn’t, why are you asking for them? Pick one.
      For my part, especially in the context of a debate, you should stick to the content of what is said, and avoid ad hominem attacks as well as arguments from authority. Even the freshman girls know that.
      Regarding “Noah’s Ark,” you might be able to understand that I was using an example to refer to the very thing you mentioned. Or you might not. (See synecdoche, “a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or vice-versa.”) And speaking of that whole, please site a source that there is 1,000 or more flood myths in all of recorded history. You strike me as one prone to hyperbole. I suspect you could substantiate 50 or perhaps 150 if you spend enough of your valuable time on it.

  73. kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

    “Academic dynamics are similar to churches…”
    That’s a very general statement, but it strikes me as mostly wrong, especially in the context you make it. For example, science does not have the concept of unalterable, unquestionable, omnisciently dictated texts or supreme authorities. (I say science, not academia in general, but I think that’s fair here – at least you should separate science from other academic concerns with such a statement.) Science does not have the concept of heresy and a history of brutal reprisal for it. Science does not have the concept of infallibility. In fact, falsifiability is actually a required virtue of a hypothesis or theory in science. In its nature are debate, proof, peer review, repeatability, and verification. This is a fundamental and crucial difference that certainly breaks any reasonable use of the word “similar.” If all you mean is that science is not as subjective or politics-free as a naïve accounting of it would suggest, then you have grossly over-stated the point. Yes, high school text books describe a pure practice that is not really there, and Paul Feyeraband, Thomas Kun, and others have illuminated the sometimes stark difference between theory and practice. Notice that this is encouraged and rewarded in science; it is not met with excommunication or jihad or threats of eternal punishment.

  74. onitamo@yahoo.com' yora says:

    Dear Gustavo , I am curious how you or someone else would prove that it is not so as Dr.Osmanagich is saying in his hypothesis. Up to now all who are against him are also speculating..But many people who enter in tunnels Ravne have prove in their body about energies which are beneficial for their health. This is a fact, dear friend.

    • kbouley@fico.com' KenB says:

      Yora, the burden of proof is on the party making the claims. You don’t have to believe that, but at least that’s the accepted rule for science and most serious academic pursuits. It is very difficult to disprove something of this type. For example, if I claim there are ghosts on the dark side of the moon, and you say nonsense, I cannot say – oh yeah, well how can you prove it’s false? Many people also swear acupuncture and homeopathy help their health, as well as certain crystals, and that their cats talk to them, that they can travel outside their bodies, that the Virgin Mary appeared to them in a cloud bank, that they were abducted by aliens, that the devil buried fake fossils to confuse the weak, and that if you play music, plants grow healthier. Now, some of that may be true – but if so, the people making the claims have to prove it, not the other way around.

  75. onitamo@yahoo.com' Zora says:

    Ken, I agree with everything you wrote above. dr. Nabil Swelim, from Egypt said similar to dr.Semir Osmanagich..but he said “These are pyramids, but you must work to find out the answers and proves on many questions. Please hear just 1 min what he said to Bosnian Prime-minister and he is person who discovered 4 pyramids and knows what he is saying..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftmCyz572V4
    dr. Osmanagich is working on it as much as he can. He didn’t have financial or academic support in his country and mostly skepticism and attacks from academic circles in the west world..Progress is going slow.. but here is for ex one Serbian researcher known for his work with Tesla Technologies, who is talking about the measuring of ‘subtle energies’ on 2 pyramid -hills , if you like call it so.
    One is in Serbia, name Rtanj, and other is Visočica (Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun) .Results were similar, (but on other mountains or hills are not similar values found)
    here is with English subt. his 6 min video talk about his method of measuring..So they are working to get more proves.. just please , patience. 😉

  76. holmesderrick2@gmail.com' Derrick Holmes says:

    Are you saying that Sitchin did not accurately decipher the language of the ancient Sumerian records? Which academics have disproved what Sitchen translated? Just curious, as it seems entirely plausible to me, but I am not an academic, just curious. Have a nice day.

  77. rollinshultz@outlook.com' Rollin Shultz says:

    I can understand your balking at the interpretation of people from Pleaides but ALL writers speculate in some way. That however does not mean you should throw out the baby with the bath water.

    What is it about the theory of ancient civilizations being more advanced technically than we now are that bothers you? The FACTS are we DON’T know who built the pyramids and other ancient megalithic structures, but work such as he and others have done is certainly far better than to try to push an idea of primitive Egyptians and Mayans built these things when there is nothing primitive about these structures.

    What is your theory about who built these structures and when and how they were constructed? Do you have some constructive comments to offer? I am always glad to listen to anyone who is willing to give it an honest try and not regurgitate the dogma and outright lies of modern Archaeology.

  78. georgeix@yahoo.com' stephen sauthoff says:

    “Good things are coming” a concept that needs defining, good for/regarding what?

  79. joshnw1986@gmail.com' Josh says:

    Facts. Where’s your facts, where’s your proof? Facts? Facts are often just temporary truths that time and knowledge haven’t finished molding yet. To call something a fact is to say there is no more knowledge to learn about said fact. Furthermore, says that the knowledge is correctly understood entirely. This just seems an ignorant approach, to me, seeing as facts of old have changed into facts of new due to further understanding of information gathered thus far and/or new information that can become the end of its acceptance all together. To even say something is a fact in many instances shows how “mInd made” people have become with no humility of possibly being wrong and learning something new. Also, the slandering and negative comments of others understanding or belief of the knowledge at their disposal further insists a stagnant opinion of ignorance and lack of imagination which only hinders growth and acceptance of valuable new information. Many people in the past had to be wrong for the beginning of an answer to even take shape into the information at our disposal today. Critisizing ideas and opinions is like scrutinizing that we need oxygen to stay alive. It is absolutely ridiculous to waste so much energy on something that is but a self proclomation of intellectual supperiority. To even attempt to force feed your way of understanding things on the people around you because you have subjective facts to back the claim becomes a game without a purpose or reward as nobody ever wins. There will always be questions as there will always be attempted answers to those questions. Right or wrong those answers if just taken into account have and could one day again deliver a missing piece of collective knowledge. Knowledge is gained through understanding. Understanding through acceptarce. Acceptancence through patience. patience through listening.
    I enjoyed reading this article and equally if not more so the comments. Not because I agreed or disagreed with the information buy merely because having and sustaining a natural curiosity about the most unbelievable of claims keeps the mind in motion which helps avoid becoming stagnant Nearly every one made an intellectual point of view or educated opinion. As to be expected there were many different thoughts/reactions and opposing views of the same article or comment. This shows first hand how different our psyche and perception of truth and reality really are from one person to another providing reason to keep an open mind and respect of anothers differences.

    Embrace the difference of man kind as this is why we are alike.

  80. nictesla@sbcglobal.net' rich grah says:

    the worldwide evidence is overwhelming. You need to take your blinders off.

  81. bgichris41@aol.com' Christ Timm says:

    If those ancient civilizations had all the intelligence ascribed to them, why did they go extinct?

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