Gregg Braden on Living in the Heart, Beauty, Compassion, Healing, the Master Plan, and more

Posted by on August 5, 2012 in Conscious Evolution, Manifestation / LOA with 3 Comments

In this remarkable interview, Gregg Braden discusses blessing negative experiences and feelings, beauty, the single eye of the heart, living in the heart, the matrix, compassion, healing,  the master plan, and more.

Editor Note: The YouTube video from which the following transcript was captured has been removed.

Bad Feelings [0:05]

People ask the question: what about their own negative thoughts, feelings, emotions, and beliefs and how their inner experience of negativity affects what is that they share in the divine matrix?

Our experience is only an experience until we judge it.  The question is: how and why are we judging ourselves.

The healing comes from allowing us to feel whatever it is that the world gives to us to feel and to acknowledge that feeling.  Allow the feeling to unfold without judging what it means or being afraid of how it may affect something else in the world.

The feelings that we call negative are simply indications that something has crossed our path that is now inviting us to examine this experience.  Why do I feel this way?  What is it saying to me?  They become a problem only when we ignore them – when feelings go unresolved or unreconciled.

When feelings are unresolved and we bury them or mask our hurt or our frustration or our anger or our jealously or our rage, and we do that month after month, year after year, and that feeling is buried inside of us looking for an expression – that’s where we begin to have the problems.

But, the feeling itself when we have a feeling… I have negative feelings and I don’t judge them.  I say, “Um, I’m having a feeling about this person or about this situation.” And, then I have to check with myself and say, “Why am I having this feeling?  What does it mean to me?  What is it telling me about my personal beliefs and my personal experience?”

In that way, the negative feelings become our best friends, because they actually serve us rather than hurt us.  And, it’s all based on our beliefs and the judgments we attach to that experience.

The Single Eye of the Heart [2:50]

The ancient Essenes tell us in their texts 2,500 years ago in a very precise language that every human lives on this earth in three worlds at the same time.  We live in the world of thought, the world of feeling, and the world of emotion.  Their texts actually say to us that when these three become one (when the thought, the feeling, and the emotion are merged – married together into a single potent force), then when you say to the mountain, “Move.”  The mountain will move.

I used to believe that this was a metaphor.  Now, I have seen in the monasteries of Tibet, and I’ve seen with the holy and sacred people in Bolivia and Peru, and the native traditions of desert southwest, and the medicineless hospitals in Beijing, China – that this is not a metaphor.  It is a literal fact.  When thoughts, feelings and emotion become one, we can literally change the stuff that our world is made of.   We can rearrange the atoms of matter through the belief waves that emanate from our heart.

So, the question is: when we are experiencing judgment and ego, what is that saying to us really?

The first thing it is telling us is that we are not in our heart because the heart has no judgment. And, the heart has no ego.  When we are experiencing those qualities, it is coming from our mind; it’s coming from our inner child; it’s coming from our fear, from our families, from our perceptions, our conditioning.  It’s not coming from our heart.

This is so interesting to me because I am using the English language now.  And, in the English language, the language is not designed for this conversation.  Other languages are: Sanskrit, for example – ancient Sanskrit.   In Sanskrit there is one word that means the energy body of the human, for example. It’s prana.   In English, there is no single word for prana, so we have to take other words and put them together: energy body, or electrical magnetic field, or something like that.

The same is true when we speak about the language of the heart.  There is no word in the English language that describes the language of the heart.  Part of my heritage is south-eastern Cherokee – Native American Cherokee.  And, in that tradition, there is a word that means the single “eye” of the heart – the heart that doesn’t see right and wrong, and good and bad.  It simply sees what has happened with no judgment.  And that word is “chanteesti” – the single eye of the heart.

So, the goal of many ancient traditions (early Christian, early Jewish, early Buddhist, Native American, and now the scientific principles today) is to find a way to view the experiences of life (what happens in the world around us, our relationships, our finances, and our health) through the single eye of the heart – the eye that says “yes, this is what has happened” without saying what has happened is good or bad, or right or wrong.  And, when we find ourselves having those experiences, we are in our mind.

It is the marriage of the mind and the heart that give us the power to create, and the way they say to transcend, to get through the judgment that we find ourselves in.   It sounds strange at first.  But, what they invite us to do is this: when something hurts us in life, when something crosses our path that causes us pain, our first reaction is to move away from it and say “I don’t want that.”   That is when the judgment comes in.

If we can embrace the experiences when someone or an experience hurts us in life, not that we like the experience or want to have it again, but the ancients say that we should bless the experience. This sounds very strange – to bless the things that hurt you.  But, here’s what happens. When we begin to bless the things that cause us the pain, the blessing is simply the acknowledgement.

For example: “I bless the person who has just been dishonest with me.”  “I bless the person who violated my trust, betrayed my confidence.  And, you say that again and again.  And, you say it out loud. What begins to happen is that the verbal expression brings the physical energy up from the heart and into the body.  Soon, your body becomes warm and you have tears in your eyes. And you say, “I bless this person. I bless this person.”  It is the blessing that relieves the charge of judgment for just a moment.  That’s all we need, because for just a moment when the charge is relieved, we can replace the hurt with something else.  And the ancients say that something else is what we call beauty.

Beauty is a powerful force in our world.  And, it already exists everywhere.  The ancients Essenes and the Native Americans alike – they say that beauty is already everywhere and in everything.  Our job is to find that beauty, to seek it out.  Mother Teresa was a master at this.  She would walk down the streets of Calcutta, India and she would see dead bodies on the street and decay in the gutters.  In the dung in the gutter of the streets in Calcutta, she would find a flower growing.  And, in that flower, she would find beauty in the streets.  That experience allowed her the strength to find even more beauty in life.

So, rather than judging the experiences when they come to us, we can look at each experience as a blessing. And, when we find ourselves hurt say, again, “Yes, I feel hurt.”  So, acknowledge it first.  Secondly, what is this hurt saying to me?  What voice am I hearing?  What does it tell me about my life? And, bless the hurt that is giving us information about ourselves.

If we begin that experience, it is much easier then for our thoughts, feelings, and emotions to become one so that can move that mountain when it comes across our path.

Living in the Heart [9:40]

The question that the scientist asks is if we know that the experiences work, we know that one person or a group of people come together and they share a common experience in their heart for a period of time, such as the international peace project in the Middle East, where people came together to feel the feelings of peace during the Lebanese-Israeli war in the early 1980s.  During the time they created those feelings, statistically, terrorist activities dropped to zero, crimes against people declined, emergency hospital visits declined, and traffic accidents declined.

10:23 So, the scientists ask, if this prayer is so powerful then why didn’t it last?  This is the crux, the secret of the ancient traditions that has been missed by so many today, because this experience in our heart was viewed by the scientists as something you do for a moment in time.  So, you go about your daily life and at a certain time you stop your daily life and you do this heart experience – this prayer.  And when the prayer is over, you stop the prayer and go back to your life.

And the crux of our most cherished, sacred, and ancient traditions is very clear that this experience of the heart is not something that we do, it is something that we become. It is something that we live in our lives.  Life becomes the prayer.  Every moment of every day is the prayer.  And because this modality of prayer, it’s called the lost mode of prayer (feeling based prayer), because the prayer is based in a feeling (and we can have a feeling all of the time; we can have a feeling in our cars while driving on the highway; we can have a feeling in the office, in the school, with our families, alone in the park), we can always have a feeling and that means we can always be in prayer.

It’s not something that we do in a moment.  It’s a way of living. It’s a way of life.  It’s something that we become. And, when we do that the prayer never ends.  at is the secret to maintaining the powerful effects that are documented by science and in the ancient texts, and the Essenes tell are possible in our lives.

The Matrix [12:15]

The whole idea, the abbot in Tibet was so very clear when he said this – the new abbot.  And, I asked him a question through the translator.  I said, “What is the force that holds the universe together?”  We’d already had the conversation that there is something out there.  So, I was asking for specifics from his Tibetan Buddhist perspective… He had a conversation with the translator and then answered me with one word: compassion.

I said, “Wait a minute. I thought that compassion is a feeling – an experience that we have in our bodies and in our hearts.  I am asking you, what is the force that is holding everything together?”

And, he answered me again. He said: ”Compassion.”

I said, “Is it an experience or is it a force?”

And, he said, “Yes.”  It is both.

To me, that is so powerful because it reminds us that we are born into this world with a power in our hearts that we already have – we don’t have to learn.  And, it’s a power that aligns us with the framework, with the matrix of the universe itself.  Max Planck called this field of energy “The Matrix” in 1944.  He coined the term, “The Matrix,” to describe this network of energy that holds particles of the universe together.

And, from the Buddhist perspective (the Tibetan Buddhist perspective), they recognize that the experience of compassion.  It’s not just feeling sorry for someone or saying, “Oh, poor person” when they are having a bad day.  In Western traditions, sometimes people think of compassion in that way. That may be a part of it.  But, from the Buddhist perspective, it’s much deeper than that.

It is living life awake, and conscious, and present in our hearts and in the moment knowing that we are a part of all that is.  And, what we do every moment of life is affecting not only us, it’s affecting the other side of the universe.  And, consciously living our lives – respecting and honoring that relationship.  It’s such a beautiful way to live.

Now that scientists have been able to show us through the imagery of the Chandra X-Ray Space Observatory… The mission of this observatory was to detect invisible fields of energy in the universe. So, while scientists always suspected that up to 90% of the universe is empty, this observatory now is showing us that in the space that we once believed was empty is not empty – that there’s a lot of energy in there.  And, it looks like a web or a net of energy.

It is the compassion in our hearts that creates the waves (the belief waves of electrical and magnetic energy) that align us with this field. This is our technical, Western, male-dominated, schematically oriented, scientific way of describing the matrix and it sounds very complex.  The Buddhist monk, the abbot, he says “compassion.”  He is saying the same thing, and they’ve always know this.

This is where it’s so fascinating to me because science is a language.  And, it is only one language that describes our world and our relationship to the world.  There are other languages.  Science is a relatively new language.  It’s only about 400 years old.  Other languages are 7,000 years old in the case of the Vedas.  So, science is good.  However, it’s incomplete.  And, we know that science does not have all of the complete answers. So, when we go into the other traditions to see how they describe our relationship to the universe, in some ways they are much more complete.

Modern science is only arriving in the last years of the 20th century and early 21st century.  They have just arrived at the understanding that the field is out there, and they are saying, “What do we do with this field?” – on the one hand.   On the other hand, this is the place where the ancient traditions have always begun.

Science has spent 400 years debating and trying to prove whether or not everything is connected, while these ancient traditions began with the understanding that of course everything is connected. They didn’t spend 400 years proving the connection.  Their 400 years was spent exploring how we can use that connection to become better people, and create a better world.

For me, as a scientist, this is the value of looking into our most ancient and cherished traditions and honoring our past.  Don’t throw it out the window.  Honor it.  And marry that wisdom with the best science of today.  Together, they create a greater wisdom than either would give us individually.

I think that we need that wisdom now in this time in history to solve the problems that we see in our lives.  Science tells us how things work.  The ancient traditions to us how to apply that understanding in our lives.

Science and Spirituality [17:45]

Science told us that we must believe either one or the other, Science or Spirituality, but not both. As a child I always believed that Science and Spirituality are the same thing and I thought that everybody else believed the same thing. They just didn’t talk about it. So I always believed that when we study Science we understand nature and how the world works that ultimately we’re understanding God.  But, when I began working in the corporations I found nothing could be further from the truth.  They said you either are a scientist or you’re a spiritualist.  You either use technology or you use religion. And, it doesn’t have to be that way.

So I think our greatest power in this civilization, there is a new science and a new spirituality that’s been born right now. It’s so new it doesn’t even have a name. We don’t know what to call it. And maybe it’s better with no name, because if there’s a name, then there’s rules and somebody owns it.  So right now it has no name, but it is a blending – a beautiful marriage – of the technology and science that we have today with the understandings that have served us for over 5,000 years and got us to the point where we are today.

What Greg Braden Would Ask [19:20]

If I came to this world from another world and I could ask one question of myself in this lifetime based upon what I knew here that I couldn’t find in that other world, I would ask the following question:

“What is the one thing that we have in this world that would wake us up and remind us that we are a family and that we are more than the differences that have separated us in the past and that we are too precious to kill ourselves in war?  What is the one thing that could be awakened in this lifetime and shared with every human on the face of the earth that would remind them of that truth?”

Because, I believe it is the truth.   That’s what I would ask.

Resonance [20:25]

The word “resonance” is a very powerful word in our language that simply means when two energies find a way to match one another. So for example – I’m a guitarist – so I will use guitars as an example. If I had two guitars in the same room and I have one guitar leaning against one wall and another guitar against another wall. And, I take one string and pluck the string here, this string on the other guitar will begin to vibrate as if it were the one that were touched. And the reason is because they are in resonance, they are tuned the same. The other strings will not vibrate because they are not tuned the same.

This is a powerful principle because when we can find resonance in our heart we tune our bodies the way we tune a musical instrument and we do this with thought, feeling, emotion, and belief. We choose the quality of the belief inside our bodies that brings us into resonance with the truth and the beauty, or the anger and the hate, of the world around us. And the beauty is that we get to choose where that resonance comes from.

The Exponential Energy of the Heart [21:50]

The principle of resonance is perhaps one of the most powerful principles in nature because it allows tremendous change to happen very quickly with very few people in the kinds of things that we are talking about now. And the reason is because if those few people learn the language of resonance with the Divine Matrix, with The Field, if they choose peace and healing in their bodies and they find that they can convey that in the Divine Matrix, the focused power of knowing the language is stronger than the chaotic power of not understanding the language.

So many people in chaos is what we seeing our cities right now, a very few people focused that understand the language may transcend (I’m not going to say that they overpower, or that they win), I’ll say that they transcend – they are no longer locked into the negativity from those other people. And, it’s because of the principle of resonance.

The Healing [23:00]

In our live programs I often share a video – a very rare, beautiful, precious film that shows the healing of a woman from a cancerous tumor that is performed in a medicine-less hospital in Beijing, China. And through the technology of sonogram, of ultrasound, we can see inside of her body, we can see a cancerous condition change in less than 3 minutes in the presence of three practitioners who understand the language of resonance that her body recognizes.

So, when they create the feelings within their hearts of her healing, her body mirrors that healing back to them. And I share this video for one reason and one reason alone, because when we have the conversation in the workshop it is academic. It’s theory. It’s nice to think about and we hope it’s true.

But, when we see the image of the healing, it takes the whole conversation out of possibility and makes it very real in our lives.  And, we say that one of two things has just happened: either we saw the video and it is a fake – because you can fake on a computer – or we saw the video and we have just seen something with our eyes that our heart wants to believe and our mind needs to help us understand that miracles can work.

So the reason I share the video is because it is quick, potent, powerful – the image, we’ll think about that image for a very long, long time – to show people that it is real. However they don’t need to go to that precise hospital, or any hospital to have that experience because the whole idea of showing the video is to show that when we can feel these feelings in our bodies we affect our own healing.

And I’ll tell you how I know this: because I’ve had the personal experience in my life. I was diagnosed with a condition in the year 2000 and I went to a traditional doctor and they did traditional techniques and said there’s something there that shouldn’t be there in your body. And I had to think about that and I said,  “Hmm, I travel the world and I show people this possibility from theory and now I’m having this inner experience. What would this mean to me?”

And, I realized it was an opportunity for me to practice and trust within myself what I’ve been showing so many other people, so that from that moment forward I could look at any human in the eye and I could say to them “I know you have this power.  And, I can say this to you with confidence because I have healed myself doing exactly what I’m sharing with you right now.”

And that’s what happened: I used the techniques that I learned in the monasteries in Tibet, and that I learned from the healers in China.

However, I still went through the medical procedure because there’s the part of the mind that questions. So I underwent the anesthetic, the doctors began to explore and I woke up in the recovery room and the doctor said: “What are you doing here? There’s nothing there, there was never anything there, there’s no scar tissue, there’s no evidence.”  He said, “Why are you here?”

And, I began in my waking up state to tell him about the power of human emotions to heal our bodies. And, that’s something that doctors don’t like to hear. However I have shown this video not only to public groups such as the ones in Milan, in Germany, in France, and in England.  I have shown it to private organizations – the US Air Force medical facilities.  I have shown them to medical conventions and medical doctors.

And, they will look at this as an isolated miracle. They say yes, this is probably happened.  It’s a miracle.  We’ll come back and explore it later.  But, first we’re going to find the cure for cancer. Because, in their mind there’s a disconnect. In the mind of the modern medical practitioner there is no relationship between heart waves, belief waves, electromagnetic fields in the heart, and the healing in the body. In their mind there is the model that you must either use chemicals, or drugs, or physically remove or alter the body in some way to affect the healing.

And, I think this is changing.  It’s changing now. But, whether it’s changes in the world or not, what I know is that I can go in any audience with any person on the face of this Earth and I can look them right into the eye and could tell them: “I know this is true. And, I know it because of my personal experience”.

The Practice [28:05]

When we say the practice, for many people in the West, again, it sounds like something that we do sometimes. And, the key to all of the traditions is that it becomes a way of life rather than something that we do sometimes.

Our conditioning in the West is that our spiritual practice is something that we do at the end of the day, when the children are fed, and the bills are paid, and the dishes are done, and the clothes are clean, and the lunches are prepared for the next day.  And, then we go into a room. And, we close the door, and turn on the music, and light the incense, and burn a candle.  And, by then it’s 2 o’clock in the morning, and we are too tired to do anything. We take a deep breath, we say a mantra, and we go to bed.

The point is – and that’s an exaggeration – but for many people the point is that their spiritual practice is compressed into a few moments after everything else is finished – in our culture – ours being the West.

However, you go into the Native American cultures, in North America, South America, again into the monasteries in Egypt, in Tibet, their entire lives are their spiritual practice. And, then every once in a while, they will stop that spiritual practice for a moment to make change for 20 Euros. It’s just the opposite of the way we think about life.

So, again, it’s about becoming the practice and allowing it to be a way of life, rather than viewing it as something that we do in a moment in time.

We do programs all over the world and people come after the program – one day, two days, three days – and they say: “Great program, where is the next program? What should I study next?”  And, I have to say to them: “There is no more. Go home and experience, and live what it is that you’ve learned here”.

But for some people the diversion…. it’s easier to go from workshop to workshop, and study to study, and teacher to teacher, rather than embrace and live what they’ve learned already in their lives.

Many Teachers [30:30]

Everyone learns differently.  And, some people need the support and the structure of a group, or a teacher, to mentor them through. And, other people need only a little push and a reminder of how it works, and they have a discipline to live this on their own.

And, this is what makes us unique. We all learn differently.  We all learn from different language and that’s why there are so many teachers that often teach the same thing.  And, people come up to me all the time and they say this sounds very similar to what my Buddhist teacher said, or what A Course in Miracles says, or what someone else has said.

And, I’ll say: “Well, yes, that’s good.”  Because, I expect that if something is true you will hear it many different times in many different ways. However, while my language may work for some people, other people may learn better from another language.

And I’ve learned – we do workshops for children in second grade. So, they’re 8 and 9 years old. And, we go into the school. The school invites us. And, when we do that, I use a very different language: very visual programs, no technical words, a lot of direct experience. And, we pose it all as a mystery that has not yet been solved.  And, these young people love to know that there’s something left that they can still solve.

I speak to high school seniors. We use a different language, very different language. We’ve gone into nursing homes where people have a very short attention span and the technical words will not work, so we find another language.

Is There a Master Plan? [32:10]

People ask the question frequently: “Within the Divine Matrix, is there a master plan? Do I believe that there is a master plan?”

And, there are a number of different ways of looking at this. From the perspective of the ancient texts, we are approaching a time in history, a convergence time in history when our world and our bodies are about to change. And, all of the rules that have worked up until this moment in time will change. We will still be here and there will still be a world. But, the rules will become different.

So from that perspective, the “owner’s manual” if you will – of how we work in this world that has been here for 5,000 years – that divine plan may be coming to an end. We’ll begin another plan.

But, within this Divine Matrix, what we know is this: we’re living I a field of many possibilities and energy that will allow us to create whatever it is that we can imagine in our minds and feel in our hearts. And, from that perspective we are limited only by our imagination, and our courage to feel the feeling in our hearts as if our dreams have already come to pass, as if they’ve already come true. That, I believe is what our experience here is all about.

What happens if you take a beautiful human with a mind and a heart and you place them into a world where they may create anything that they can choose?  Will they create lightness or dark?  Will they choose peace? Or, will they choose war?

I believe we have complete freedom to create. However, I believe we are limited in the sense that we will not be allowed to destroy this planet. Because, I believe we are also part of a greater existence. And, what happens here affects life beyond here. And, from that perspective, there is a greater plan that allows us to develop and mature, but will not allow us to destroy this world or ourselves. I believe that plan exists.


CLN note: Many, many thanks to Romanita for helping with above transcription.

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  1.' Nilanee Dias says:

    What is the Divine Matrix ? Is this God or an energy field?
    Is it in our bodies or in a distant place away from the earth.

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